REQ: How to combine LOR EE Blu-rays into one ISO

[Adbear]

Still seems strange that they'd re-encode the whole movie to add in hard subs

 

[moose]

Still seems strange that they'd re-encode the whole movie to add in hard subs

indeed so. I believe the theatrical releases from some time ago also had that distinction.

 

[jwjohnson]

They are not just an uprezed DVD. Video quality is much better than that. Anyway, the combined file size is over 50 GB for each of the three movies. So they wouldn't fit on a BD-50 anyway. Someone posted the exact size a few pages back.

 

[Maltese]

I understand that, but don't think it answers my question. You can set the bit rate to generate huge files, but the benefit of higher bit rates falls off at a certain point. I think you could probably shrink each of the movies to 50GB and most people would probably not be able to tell the difference.
I can understand why the DVD version was split, but not why the bluray version was also split

ROTK EE is over 74GB and over 4 hours long. That's 14GB more than what a consumer blu-ray player can play. I've not seen standalone BD100 players yet.

To me, Blu-ray is meant to give the absolute best picture and sound short of the Movie Master itself. While it is nowhere near 2K or even a 4K master, it's the closest we can get at the moment on a mass produced medium.

 

[Curtis]

Nice job Maltese. I was doing an mkv version of this for FOTR when I read this thread. Thanks for the times needed to trim from the files.

If you don't mind I'll use this thread to list the steps needed for joining a mkv. I'll just cover the first movie since you must trim both discs.

1. Create both mkvs using whatever programs you prefer.
2. Open FOTR part 1 in mkvmerge.
3. Set the output filename to what you want.
4. Note the number of chapters (27).
5. On the global tab, check Enable splitting... ...after this duration. Place 6338s in the box.
6. Start muxing.
7. When complete, close mkvmerge and open FOTR part 2 in mkvmerge. I tend to close it between uses so I don't miss a setting I needed to clear from the last step.
8. Set the output filename to what you want.
9. On the global tabe, check Enable splitting... ...after this duration. Place 00:00:00.500 in the box.
10. In the max. number of files box place 2. This is important as without it you will end up with a lot of files 1/2 a second long.
11. Start muxing.
12. When complete close mkvmerge and open it again.
13. Go to the Chapter Editor tab and drag the FOTR part 2 mkv into the chapters box.
14. Select each chapter in order, changing the name to the next number after the number of chapters in FOTR part 1. Chapter 1 becomes Chapter 28, Chapter 2 becomes Chapter 29, etc.
15. Once finished, on the menu click Chapter Editor > Save.
16. Close mkvmerge and open FOTR part 1 in mkvmerge.
17. Click append and add FOTR part 2.
18. Set the output filename to what you want.
19. Start muxing.

Maltese was kind enough to share the trim times you will need for splitting the next two movies also. I have no sync issues and the files play flawless in MPC-HC for me. All chapter points (that I checked, I didn't check all of them) before and after work fine. I can't speak for the subtitles as I didn't keep them.

Thanks Yraen. For anyone that names your .txt chapters before you mux, you can skip 13-15. If you don't want to apply the chapter name but use eac3to + Mkv Merge, I'd recommend you at least name them all with the numbers before muxing as it will save time.

Also, I'd recommend cutting off the front of the second video around 2 seconds (rather than 1/2) as there are 48 frames before the video starts.

** Edit july5: I have just done ROTK and have validated that disc 2 there that the video starts on the 25th frame as well so it looks like all the movies should have 2 seconds cut off the beginning of the second disc in addition to the cut time at the end of the first disc as specifed by Maltese.
So in MKV Merge, you would click Enable Splitting in the Global tab, set the time to 00:00:02 and then set the Max # of Files to 2.

 

[Yraen]

Thanks Yraen. For anyone that names your .txt chapters before you mux, you can skip 13-15. If you don't want to apply the chapter name but use eac3to + Mkv Merge, I'd recommend you at least name them all with the numbers before muxing as it will save time.

Also, I'd recommend cutting off the front of the second video around 2 seconds (rather than 1/2) as there are 48 frames before the video starts.

If you name your chapters in the text file, does the fact that they still have references to CHAPTER01, etc make any difference? I don't know if two CHAPTER01 references will mess with mkvmerge or not, I don't name my chapters other than Chapter 01, etc.
CHAPTER01=00:00:00.000
CHAPTER01NAME=
Would you not need to change these numbers also?

Off topic, but relevant. Do you know of a good source for the correct chapter names? I would love to add that to my script and have the chapters named properly.

I'll actually look at the second part a little closer, but the dark screen between parts 1 & 2 felt pretty good the way it stands now.

 

[blubb0r87]

Subtitles are working in both 1st and 2nd parts of joined ISO.

There are now 46 chapters in combined ISO.

Total movie time is 3H48M13S.

Did you use TSMuxer?
In FOTR I only get chapters for the first disc.
Audio/Video and Subtitles are working without problems.

Probably I've to add the the chapters by hand .. with the cutting-correction.

 

[Maltese]

Did you use TSMuxer?
In FOTR I only get chapters for the first disc.
Audio/Video and Subtitles are working without problems.

Probably I've to add the the chapters by hand .. with the cutting-correction.

I outlined the steps I used on page 2 of this thread including programs and versions.

 

[tubs]

Did you use TSMuxer?
In FOTR I only get chapters for the first disc.
Audio/Video and Subtitles are working without problems.

Probably I've to add the the chapters by hand .. with the cutting-correction.

First of all, big thanks to Maltese for sharing the proper trim times.

I added mine manually since I wouldn't sure the chapters were correct due to the join plus the trim.

EDIT: Added The Two Towers Chapters, FOTR to be corrected soon(it's off by half a second). Please note that these chapter marks will only match up if you use Maltese's trim times.

THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING CHAPTERS LIST MERGED (CORRECTED) - only works with Maltese's trim time of 5 seconds off of Part 1

00:00:00.000
00:07:36.789
00:10:35.551
00:15:39.855
00:19:58.488
00:25:32.614
00:29:57.378
00:32:10.678
00:34:51.798
00:36:18.175
00:45:04.159
00:46:44.301
00:51:21.411
00:55:12.434
00:57:30.071
01:03:31.516
01:07:16.115
01:08:53.587
01:10:35.940
01:15:15.385
01:17:46.620
01:24:11.546
01:26:12.500
01:29:41.584
01:33:14.672
01:35:54.081
01:37:32.972
01:45:38.000
01:46:53.825
01:48:37.220
01:49:54.631
01:53:00.442
01:57:46.727
02:04:12.113
02:10:42.461
02:20:07.192
02:29:48.648
02:33:01.298
02:40:18.318
02:45:58.325
02:47:39.676
02:53:02.206
02:57:54.457
03:04:22.219
03:11:38.154
03:14:20.483
03:20:38.653
03:28:19.154
03:48:12.096

THE TWO TOWERS CHAPTERS LIST MERGED (only works with Maltese's trim time of 3 seconds off of Part 1)

00:00:00.000
00:04:08.747
00:06:10.827
00:14:44.966
00:17:06.607
00:19:17.948
00:23:07.094
00:23:58.310
00:27:09.044
00:28:03.181
00:31:38.229
00:35:45.518
00:38:17.878
00:41:47.795
00:50:49.755
00:58:19.411
01:00:40.177
01:02:48.306
01:08:05.998
01:12:41.731
01:24:17.342
01:25:41.636
01:27:34.332
01:30:45.523
01:32:30.586
01:34:31.039
01:35:57.042
01:37:02.315
01:38:43.958
01:41:14.818
01:46:36.000
01:47:18.792
01:49:48.650
01:54:55.206
02:01:33.395
02:04:13.513
02:06:49.961
02:08:27.518
02:12:10.281
02:14:36.260
02:18:25.865
02:23:05.436
02:30:27.128
02:36:00.378
02:37:20.248
02:40:28.519
02:42:13.250
02:43:03.925
02:46:38.014
02:53:00.396
02:54:37.452
02:58:02.573
02:59:47.720
03:05:50.207
03:07:15.292
03:07:50.034
03:10:19.560
03:12:51.545
03:17:30.030
03:19:56.386
03:24:41.671
03:25:34.222
03:26:14.764
03:28:18.554
03:30:48.412
03:32:28.095
03:34:52.238
03:43:48.524
03:55:26.972

RETURN OF THE KING - again, only works with Maltese's trim at 7656 seconds at Part 1

00:00:00.000
00:06:24.342
00:09:21.394
00:11:21.847
00:18:23.310
00:23:05.008
00:27:03.330
00:29:00.697
00:37:06.432
00:40:02.566
00:42:03.229
00:47:52.202
00:50:18.640
00:52:18.760
00:55:35.331
00:59:36.406
01:00:23.703
01:00:50.605
01:04:30.074
01:07:16.032
01:10:35.314
01:14:54.823
01:17:21.970
01:19:21.798
01:20:01.087
01:21:26.798
01:23:48.940
01:29:08.593
01:33:57.590
01:38:08.048
01:42:49.705
01:45:34.244
01:46:57.452
01:49:24.432
01:51:09.996
01:58:39.695
02:07:36.000
02:08:38.479
02:17:46.151
02:19:36.469
02:20:12.839
02:21:46.474
02:22:53.291
02:28:55.027
02:30:00.343
02:32:25.362
02:36:39.783
02:38:46.868
02:43:42.414
02:45:12.837
02:46:58.777
02:47:51.204
02:48:35.456
02:51:11.154
02:53:13.860
02:54:20.802
02:56:36.812
02:57:28.864
03:04:24.780
03:06:07.132
03:07:36.221
03:08:26.355
03:12:07.742
03:16:19.452
03:19:35.356
03:23:09.153
03:25:21.952
03:26:25.057
03:28:21.131
03:28:55.457
03:34:33.712
03:36:47.095
03:40:16.096
03:42:39.197
03:47:32.240
03:52:14.146
04:01:32.746
04:12:40.163
04:23:11.168

 

[blubb0r87]

I outlined the steps I used on page 2 of this thread including programs and versions.

I saw this, but I didn't get chapters for part2.

@ tubs:
THX!
That's what I would have done next.

PS: It's not 5 seconds off. It's 5.420 seconds off. Part 1 has a length of 1:45:43.420 and the cutting mark is 6338 seconds, that's 1:45:38.000.

 

[tubs]

I saw this, but I didn't get chapters for part2.

@ tubs:
THX!
That's what I would have done next.

PS: It's not 5 seconds off. It's 5.420 seconds off. Part 1 has a length of 1:45:43.420 and the cutting mark is 6338 seconds, that's 1:45:38.000.

DOH! You're right. I was so fixated on getting the milliseconds accurate that I ended up forgetting about the exact trim for the first part LOL.

Okay, I will re-calculate and re-upload later when I get home.

 

[blubb0r87]

I'll upload the correct chapters for all three parts today or tomorrow.
Probably I can improve the gap a little bit.

 

[Maltese]

I saw this, but I didn't get chapters for part2.

Did you follow my exact steps? I have chapters throughout the entire movie on all 3 Movies.

 

[tubs]

Did you follow my exact steps? I have chapters throughout the entire movie on all 3 Movies.

Hi Maltese,

I followed your steps. After the "join" step, the chapters that are shown in the Blu Ray tab in tsmuxer are the chapters from the 2nd part.

How did you get around this problem?

Thanks.

 

[Maltese]

Hi Maltese,

I followed your steps. After the "join" step, the chapters that are shown in the Blu Ray tab in tsmuxer are the chapters from the 2nd part.

How did you get around this problem?

Thanks.

Did you use BD-Rebuilder? It creates one m2ts file. Or did you use another program?

 

[tubs]

Did you use BD-Rebuilder? It creates one m2ts file. Or did you use another program?

Yes, I used BD Rebuilder to create the movie only ISO's and then tsMuxer to join the m2ts files as per the instructions on page 2.

I find that tsMuxer doesn't import the chapters if you work solely with m2ts files. However, if you import a playlist as opposed to an m2ts, it will do so. However, you can't do a "join" job using playlists, it will only accept m2ts for joining files.

I also noticed that tsMuxer inserts a chapter every five minutes by default when joining m2ts files.

 

[Maltese]

Yes, I used BD Rebuilder to create the movie only ISO's and then tsMuxer to join the m2ts files as per the instructions on page 2.

I find that tsMuxer doesn't import the chapters if you work solely with m2ts files. However, if you import a playlist as opposed to an m2ts, it will do so. However, you can't do a "join" job using playlists, it will only accept m2ts for joining files.

I also noticed that tsMuxer inserts a chapter every five minutes by default when joining m2ts files.

I was using a clean install (default settings) in tsmuxergui. So when you get to the video portion of the 2nd disc and hit your chapter forward it goes to the end of the movie?

Strange. Mine has 49 chapters if I recall properly.

 

[Maltese]

Also when you click Blu-ray tab in tsMuxerGUI, do you have it checked-marked to create chapters every 5 minutes (default setting)?

And your output is set to Blu-ray right correct?

 

[Curtis]

If you name your chapters in the text file, does the fact that they still have references to CHAPTER01, etc make any difference? I don't know if two CHAPTER01 references will mess with mkvmerge or not, I don't name my chapters other than Chapter 01, etc.
CHAPTER01=00:00:00.000
CHAPTER01NAME=
Would you not need to change these numbers also?

Off topic, but relevant. Do you know of a good source for the correct chapter names? I would love to add that to my script and have the chapters named properly.

I'll actually look at the second part a little closer, but the dark screen between parts 1 & 2 felt pretty good the way it stands now.

For the chapters, the numbers do not seem to show up anywhere that I can see when you put in the name. I am assuming it simply fills in the number where you don't have something specified. My quick test shows that with both Media Player HC and Haali, you can only see the names. Here is a screen shot of both: https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=BB142831209CB69D&id=BB142831209CB69D!2997&sc=documents

For chapter names, I usually start with http://tagchimp.com/ as I can quickly cut and paste (when it is right) into the chapters.txt file before using mkvmerge. DVD & BR's have same chapters so even when the BR doesn't have chapter numbers and names, there might be an entry for the DVD. Some misspellings and other errors are on a lot of titles (especially this FOTR EE) so you do have to be a little careful there. Worst case you just have the movie menu going in a second monitor and type in the names.

For the 48 frame gap between disc one video and disc 2 (FOTR), I didn't think it was bad exactly but it did make me notice the black screen that felt out of place. I scanned other transitions in the movie and found that all of them were a hard cut so this didn't match the rest if there was any black frames. Cutting out those 2 seconds at the beginning of the second disc with your timing on the first made the transition perfectly in line with the rest of the movie so you would have no idea where the cut had been.

 

[theunof]

ROTK EE is over 74GB and over 4 hours long. That's 14GB more than what a consumer blu-ray player can play. I've not seen standalone BD100 players yet.

To me, Blu-ray is meant to give the absolute best picture and sound short of the Movie Master itself. While it is nowhere near 2K or even a 4K master, it's the closest we can get at the moment on a mass produced medium.

A BDXL version would be interesting; not that there are many users for that, but definitely a "collector's item".

Speaking of 2K and 4K, when their time will come, blu-ray (and even bdxl) will be like dvds are now for hd