Movie Only BD Guide

Discussion in 'High Definition Software' started by SamuriHL, May 22, 2008.

  1. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    NOTE: If you are using XP, PLEASE ensure you have the Toshiba UDF driver installed!


    Update: Please STRONGLY consider using ClownBD for making Movie Only backups now. It's an excellent utility and until CloneBD is released is really the best option for making Movie Only backups.

    If that doesn't work out for you or you really want to do it manually, this guide is still here:

     
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2009
  2. hlkc

    hlkc Well-Known Member

    Hi SamuriHL,

    Please correct me if I am wrong - by using this way, we can play the new audio format such as TrueHD today before the new hardware and software available, right?

    Do we have to back up again when the new hardware and software available?

    Thanks!
     
  3. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    I'm not sure I follow the question. Whatever is on the original BD, you can master those streams into a new, smaller ISO containing just what you want. Obviously you lose the menu and any extras using this method, but, that is the unfortunate price we pay for making things smaller at this level of the game. So I guess to answer your question, if the original has a TrueHD sound track, just keep that selected when you make your new BD folder structure and your backup ISO will contain it, as well. It'll play as well as the original does.
     
  4. ge0rgieee

    ge0rgieee Member

    why are you using eac3to? what function does it do?

    EDIT: i'm an idiot, it joins all the playlist files
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2008
  5. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    Well, not exactly. It simply lists the biggest playlists which are LIKELY to be the main movie. It assists in joining seamless branching titles automatically by allowing you to find the playlist you need to open in tsmuxer.
     
  6. hlkc

    hlkc Well-Known Member

    Hi SamuriHL,

    Thanks for the reply. I realized using this method will save some disk space but I was also under the impression that it will able to output lossless audio format today in a different ways other than HDMI 1.3, before hardware and software in place.

    Thanks again!
     
  7. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    What you're saying makes absolutely no sense at all. Your player controls the output of the audio. If powerdvd downsamples it on the original, it's going to do the same to the backup, as well. Using this method posted here, the audio tracks are identical between original and backup. So I'm not sure exactly what it is you're trying to say there.
     
  8. hlkc

    hlkc Well-Known Member

    I don't remember which AVS threads I read... I read some posts that using this method or at least I thought it is using this way, eac2to, someone was able to output the loseless audio format using SPDIF today. I thought you are providing this method to anyone here want to do that before the hardware and software truly ready for loseless format. I guess not - my bad.

    Just wondering using this method from your experience, how many GB or % we will able to save? I understand it is vary from disk to disk but are we talking about 20%, 30% or more?

    Thanks!
     
  9. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    You misunderstood. That is completely impossible. SPDIF does not have the bandwidth for HD audio of any variety. It will always be downsampled to the core audio formats (ac3/dts).

    Yea, it REALLY depends on the movie. Some movies, for instance, have both a TrueHD and LPCM track. If you get rid of the LPCM track and keep the TrueHD track then you can save a significant amount of space. Others I've only seen a 5 or 6 gig savings on. Most of the ones I've done end up being between 20 and 30 gig whereas they start out at between 30 and 40. Not bad by any means.
     
  10. raymondtrudeau

    raymondtrudeau Well-Known Member

    hi thanks for the info,but iam new to this and how do i go about open a command prompt? for example if i backup my bd movie to my k drive.do i just open eac3to in that folder?

    and what i like to do is have the main movie only then burn it to dvd9...with this method i will still need to split the movie into 3 or 4 dvd9 is this correct? and sorry but how will i do this..thanks
     
  11. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    Search this forum for 'command here' and use that .inf file to install a new menu item on your folders called "Command Here". You right click on the folder containing eac3to.exe, select Command Here, and then run the command. Easiest way I know of to do that.

    I'm not into the whole splitting idea, but, here's a guide that should help with that:

    BD to DVD
     
  12. raymondtrudeau

    raymondtrudeau Well-Known Member

    ok thanks for your help
     
  13. profcolli

    profcolli Well-Known Member

    The downsample option in TSMuxer (e.g. for True-HD audio to AC3) may not work on all titles (e.g. National Treasure 2) so you should keep the True-HD audio stream. Also, if there are two video streams (e.g. 720x480 and 1920x1080) make sure you select the 1920x1080 stream because the 720x480 is only PIP video.
     
  14. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    Yup, good advice. I tend to keep the highest quality, smallest audio stream. What I mean is, because TrueHD is only "recommended" for BD and not required to be supported, a lot of studios add another HD audio track such as LPCM. There is 0 difference in quality between a TrueHD or DTS HD MA track and the LPCM track, but, the size difference is huge. Plus by keeping the TrueHD or DTS HD MA track, your player should be able to decode the core audio if you wanted to output via SPDIF, for example. I also keep the english subs because there could be translations to foreign languages as part of the main movie contained in those.
     
  15. Conundrum

    Conundrum Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    Thanks for this guide. I like the TSMuxer program it makes things very clear, like labeling which language is which. However I have a problem with the video being jerky. It pauses every so many seconds. Otherwise it looks and sounds great and even the original chapter marks are retained.

    What did I do wrong?
     
  16. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    Not sure. Did you get any errors in the log when it was outputting to the new Blu-ray folder? Were you doing it from the original, mounted image, or from a folder on the hard drive?
     
  17. Conundrum

    Conundrum Well-Known Member

    It was from a folder on the hard drive.
    No errors in the log.

    everything went smoothly until it tried to play.
     
  18. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    I'm not sure what's going on there, then. You may want to post a message on the Doom9 forum and see if anyone has any idea. Other than the basic usage, I'm not a guru on tsmuxer by ANY means.
     
  19. Conundrum

    Conundrum Well-Known Member

    I retried this technique with nothing else running in the background. No error reported, the process took just a little over 40 minutes.
    The pausing problem is still there. (Tested on Nero, Arcsoft, & Cyberlink)

    After it happened again I mirrored the process with TSremux (0.21.2) and both movies I tired seem to play fine, without the pausing problem. Apparently TSmuxer has a problem with my hardware or software, which is a shame because it seems to be capable of doing a better job. I'm hoping the next tsmuxer resolvers this problem.

    P.S. I made TS file with tsmuxer seemed to play fine in Nero, it might just be a Blu-ray disc output that I've got wrong somewhere.
     
  20. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    Weird. Like I said, post a message in the tsmuxer thread on doom9 and hopefully Roman can figure it out for you. What if you output an m2ts with tsmuxer and then create the bd folder structure from that using tsremux?