the same fails by multiple people?

[Whisperer]

"power cycle system" = shut down, turn power off - wait 10 to 20 seconds ( to be sure everything has stopped as some drives will still spin after power cycle) then turn system back on.

Okay, I might have mis-spoke about the cache, its really something that is held in the ram. I have not been able to put an exact finger on this yet, but it never seems to fail that after I do a complete "power cycle" the problem goes away ...

OH Yah, ha, ha, LOL ... I just call that "shutting down the computer and waiting 20 seconds". You have to be the techno-jargen king!

But what you are saying is very, very true solution to many backup problems & is quite good advice!:clap: I "Power Cycle" after each and every backup because RAM becomes fragmented just like a HDD becomes fragmented. For real. I know because I used to work for Trident Microsystems (in the early days of developing 16 bit ISA/Windows based video "accelerator" graphics cards). They had to solve a problem getting faster "refresh rates" (thoroughly dumping data fast to make way for new data) from video RAM because RAM "fragmentation" slowed data transfer to below the speed of the newer (at the time) graphics monitors' abilities to receive data. Without clean, contingent "rows" of RAM "clusters", the RAM can't keep up with the processor's data transfer rates, the timing goes to pot and can cause a freeze, crash or at least a loss of data in the "flow" in order to keep up with timing cycle speeds.

When you shut down the computer and wait your 20 seconds for all the electricity to drain from your RAM chips, you are denying power to the RAM chips so they can no longer retain data. When you boot up, all the trace crap/data left in RAM from it's multiple cycles of making your last backup has been removed and you are starting with fresh, empty contingent "rows" of memory "clusters". Believe me, ripping four to eight GB of data, through the RAM, through the processor and then to the HDD (plus, if you "shrink", the added, RAM-intensive compression of that data) and then passing all that data all over again on it's way back to the blank media in your burner is alot of activity and demand on RAM chip's ability to refresh itself! I may not have described whole cycle of making a backup completely & technically correctly, but you get the idea ... making a backup is very RAM intensive. So power cycling serves a very real function; somewhat like defragmenting a HDD so that free space is available in contingent clusters therby reducing the head's "read-duty" cycles to find that free space.

Best regards,
Whisperer

 

[mencan]

Originally Posted by mencan
"power cycle system" = shut down, turn power off - wait 10 to 20 seconds ( to be sure everything has stopped as some drives will still spin after power cycle) then turn system back on.

OH Yah, ha, ha, LOL ... I just call that "shutting down the computer and waiting 20 seconds".

LMAO...sorry for the "power cycle system" techno-jargen king terms....LMAO

Gotta give you a lot of credit there Whisperer, your sense of humor has always amazed me as where others seem to find fault with it......LMAO..... Have not hear techno-jarjen king term in a long time.....LMAO...


But your right, a complete power cycle does clean the data from the ram and produces a better flow of the fresh data on re-start....

Cheer's

 

[RedFox 1]

The whole point of the thread was that I "read" (notice I corrected myself this time, I didn't "hear" what people are saying) the same fails in waves, and that not once have I read thats something we're working on, or "yes someones come out with something, and we're on top of it, please be patient"
But what I have noticed is how as soon as I point this out you get defensive and say "give me a break" and that "I dont have a firm grasp" of firmware.
Well bad media maybe where it starts, but doesn't necessarily have to be where it ends. If everything was fine and the only thing changed is your software, maybe, just maybe its the software. I dont ever hear that possibllity come from you(I meant to say read, but you get the point).
Your comeback is if I knew anything about discs I would know that maybe the next disc down was bad. You're right I never went to school for that either, I guess its possible that every discs after someone makes the change in software could be bad, I myself have read enough in the forums to know which brands are highly recommended(taiyo yuden, verbatim) and I've tried many others too, and it didn't fix the prob.movies still froze.
And I guess it could be firmware, I updated my firmware didn't fix the prob.
As far as my grasp on firmware, or lack thereof, unfortunately stems from my only contact with this term stemmed from you webslinger throwing the term out, When I heard the term unfortunately my testes did'nt twitch and then I automatically knew what it was, I'm afraid I'm not very technologocally minded as as you I've never hosted a forum, I've been an avionics technician working as a tech station and component specialist on advanced electronics of three different aircraft, but maybe if you talk to me like an idiot I might get it.
And as far as drives not recognizing discs, it could be my drive but I replaced that too. So many other people are having the same problems all of a sudden
Discs not recognized in drives and movies freezing up on playback, it just seemed odd, and that's it. And you can repeat the same things over and over, and it doesn't seem to be solving the problem, with me or others, and you can put me down and how little I know, but I've burned a couple of thousand or so, so I'm somewhat familiar with the trends of fails as times gone by.
NEVER have I encountered so much bad media as I have lately though, man I've tried like six different brands in the last few weeks and they need to get their act together they've produced some serious junk lately.

Dear johnmc: Thankyou for your disertation. Now get back on topic. The Mods here are trying to help you, there was no need for sarchasm. Please get back on topic.oliceman: