Problems with view angles ripping Ratatouille

[James]

Sorry not so certain that is.

It certainly is.

 

[James]

It was the convertion steps to get an AVI was the tripping point.

CloneDVD mobile.

 

[Clams]

Find a DVD with two view angles; R2 Ratatouille; fails for me, load it into CloneDVD re-author the main title only, removing the second angle. Reload in again in CloneDVD and the angle is still there minus the frames...! Put that output back in to CloneDVD do it all again and guess what angle still there, it ain't going.

Work around is to use del_angle.exe on the offending IFO, then use CloneDVD. On CloneDVD's output I can do my convertion to AVI. This way works.

I suspect that CloneDVD will remove the frames but not tidy up the frame pointers. I assume del_angle.exe will tidy up the pointers but not remove the frames. del_angle.exe by itself won't work as it acts in the IFO, I needed the VOBs adjusted and CloneDVD will adjust them correctly after del_angle.exe has done its bit. Between the two programs this way works.

You may be 100% correct here, but since PowerDVD does not get upset with the output, it doesn't quite rise to the level of a full blown "bug"; especially considering that it seems to center around only one disk. I'm thinking that at most they may have made some pointer errors (or something) when mastering the R2 version of the disk - and CloneDVD can't quite figure it all out. (And it's not a copy protection issue - so that clears AnyDVD.)
We'll leave it that you "found something strange" to be sure. But it's just as likely that Rattatouille R2 is bugged.
Now if you'd tried a rip with CloneDVD2, and DVDShrink, and Nero recode and only CloneDVD2 had the phantom angle issue - well then you might get more noticed. I suppose if it arises again on another disk - it'll get added significance.

I personally rip with the AnyDVD ripper and then use DVDShrink to rip the main movie out of the AnyDVD rip - so I'm not a good one to say that one or more titles are thusly impacted in CloneDVD. I can say that i've never found "phantom angles" in any of my movie only rips - ie when re-ripping the check box does not return again. But I don't often do that anyway.

Remember, in future testing you do not need to rip with the AnyDVD ripper 1st if you're using CloneDVD to rip the Main Movie out of the disk. They share the same ripper, so you'll save time just ripping the movie out of the disk with CloneDVD and AnyDVD in the background. Then processing that rip as you see fit.
However if you want to experiment more with DVDShrink or Nero Recode - then you'll need to use the AnyDVD ripper 1st on all disks that AnyDVD reports strucural protection on.

If nothing else... this was a better discussion than most of them.

-W

 

[Webslinger]

when mastering the R2 version of the disk - and CloneDVD can't quite figure it all out.

No.

And I'm not going to bother supporting third party conversion programs (if others want to, that's fine). Nor am I going to bother discussing this further.

For related Clonedvd angle handling information click http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=50121&postcount=7. That's by design

 

[Clams]

No.
And I'm not going to bother supporting third party conversion programs (if others want to, that's fine). Nor am I going to bother discussing this further.

Discuss? How long does it take to type "No" ??

For related Clonedvd angle handling information click http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=50121&postcount=7. That's by design

Ah. CloneDVD will keep the multi angle streams (it will only blank them out) to keep the DVD structure as close to the original as possible. It looks like AutoGK doesn't like that. You should try CloneDVD mobile in VOB pass-through mode, it will remove unwanted angles completely from the output.

Yes, I'm sure now that it's by design. <sigh>
Want to actually remove the angles and not just blank them? Buy CloneDVD mobile. Want to preserve the orgional layer-break too? Buy CloneCD as well. I kinda see the design.... LOL

-W

 

[Webslinger]

Want to preserve the orgional layer-break too? Buy CloneCD as well. I kinda see the design.... LOL

As soon as you remove something, change something--the original layer break position can not be maintained. So the very nature of reauthoring programs is that they cannot retain the original layer break position. Clonecd is a 1:1 sector copier--not a reauthoring program. It makes sense that Clonecd can retain the original layer break position. It makes sense that Clonedvd, Recode, etc., cannot.

And the other stuff you mentioned is not related to a money grab. But you can, as always, believe what you want.

I'm done with this thread.

 

[Clams]

I'm done with this thread.

You were done already.

You may now slowly remove the hook and back away from the thread. :clap:

-W

PS: don't worry about me... cause he turn you in to the fbi.
(and then what? ; All your base are belong to him?)

 

[JonW]

My old copy of Nero 6 (Yes 05 it was dated) crashed and burned when trying to recode this R2 Ratatouille.
Downloaded Nero 9... (Sorry don't mean to offend, competitors product and all)
Installed...
Recoded... (Not quite as slick and CloneDVD - No view angle option)
Opened in CloneDVD "Prefect" :clap: no second view angle.
Opened in DGIndex "Prefect" :clap: I can now filter, tweak and encode to my heart's content.
This is the final proof that; I am sorry to say; that CloneDVD, brilliant that it is, has fails on this one. Why? it miss-handles the deleted view angles.

And the menu structure defines what angle to play.

So why didn'y CloneDVD correct the menu structure when it rewrote the IFO and everything else? It should have done.

But PowerDVD seems very robust even on offending CloneDVD output

That's because the Clonedvd output is perfectly fine.

Dude - prefect... no :disagree:, close... yes :agree:

That's because the Clonedvd output is perfectly fine.

Sorry not so certain that is.

It certainly is.

James something is amiss here, whether you accept it or not. As representative of the SlySoft Development Team maybe it is worth further investigation. I have being trying to get to the bottom of a mystery, there was an unexpected error here that CloneDVD could not trap, constant defense of the product and not being open to the possibilty thing might not be prefect doesn't promote good discussion or design.
I have been an avid fan of SlySoft AnyDVD for many years and allways recommend it as my first and only choice. I want the products to be bullet-proof. We don't live a perfect world where every IFO is written perfectly. I think we have shown that the IFO on this DVD might be at fault and that it caught out CloneDVD.

This is not an Anydvd issue.
Thread moved to Third Party Product forum . . .

Hmmm... Should be in CloneDVD forum... CloneDVD issue.

Final conclusion: There is a bad IFO on this disc - not an AnyDVD issue but a CloneDVD hickup that 99.9% of the time no one would notice. I think that's fair to say.

 

[Clams]

My old copy of Nero 6 (Yes 05 it was dated) crashed and burned when trying to recode this R2 Ratatouille.
Downloaded Nero 9... (Sorry don't mean to offend, competitors product and all)
Installed...

You'll note that Nero Recode is in fact DVDShrink in a new wrapper, with some features missing, and a bug or two introduced.
That's why I stick with DVDShrink 3.2 - same engine, less headaches.
And I got to stick with Nero 6 that way - it burns just fine - less bulkware.

As for the rest.... good luck!!

-W

 

[JonW]

You'll note that Nero Recode is in fact DVDShrink in a new wrapper, with some features missing, and a bug or two introduced.
That's why I stick with DVDShrink 3.2 - same engine, less headaches.

I didn't know that, as I knew nothing about DVDShrink, prehaps I will look into it following your advice. Nero crapped all over my file associations so it's going, but it did prove the point. Thanks for the input, I wouldn't have dragged this beyond getting del_angle.exe, but I think we got to the bottom of it.
Time to put this one to bed I think. Happy Ripping

 

[Clams]

I didn't know that, as I knew nothing about DVDShrink, perhaps I will look into it following your advice. Nero crapped all over my file associations so it's going.

Yes... newer versions of Nero are "the suck". Intrusive bloatware is all!

DVDShrink has been unsupported for a few years now and the code was licensed to Nero for ReCode. It was once the "standard" and it's still great for what it is, so long as you have AnyDVD to break the copy protection first.

If AnyDVD runs into a disk with structural copy protections, you need to use the AnyDVD Ripper 1st is the only real pain.
But even today the de-facto real world test of the AnyDVD rippers output is:
Does it play 100% properly in PowerDVD?
Can it be imported 100% into DVDShrink 3.2?

-W (signing off as well)

 

[Webslinger]

Hmmm... Should be in CloneDVD forum... CloneDVD issue.

No. You're completely mistaken. The third party software you're using is at fault--and the third party software you're using is limited. What you're using can't handle interleaved cells and is incapable of parsing .ifos properly (which is really brutal). Neither James nor I are obligated to teach you the limitations of or support the third party software programs that you're using. What you're encountering with Clonedvd is absolutely by design, and that is the proper way to handle the disc.

As a Slysoft customer, I would much rather have James busy breaking protections than spending time writing these explanations over and over again:

http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=15049&postcount=4

and

http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=50121&postcount=7

and

http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=166467&postcount=6

And the next time you want to try ordering me around with respect to where threads should go, think twice. Do consider this a warning. oliceman:

 

[Webslinger]

I think we have shown that the IFO on this DVD might be at fault and that it caught out CloneDVD.

All you have illustrated is that you don't understand the limitations of the software that you're using.

If you want .vobs with stripped angles, then use Clonedvd mobile with .vob passthrough.

Thread closed. oliceman: