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Ripping Blu ray to iso vs folders for archival....?

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I have a question about how best to create backups of BD-25 & 50's - with menus intact. Over the years I have burned family movies to BD-R's (25's and 50's) using PowerDirector. Now I've become concerned about the life of the BD-R discs themselves and have decided to make cloud backups. I want to retain as much detail from the discs I have created (including the menus) and just be able to download and burn (if needed) as easily as possible.

So my question is which rip output (iso or folders) is best for archiving and reproducing the entire disc (menus and all) for (obviously) non-protected discs?

Thanks
 
James said:
ISO
You can convert ISO to folder in 1 second with VIrtual CloneDrive.
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I was reading a thread from 2016 - if it is still correct, if I am going to rip burned home/non-protected DVD movies to iso, I should use CloneDVD2 - correct (or has something changed in the last 5 years)?

My second question is IF I ever need to reproduce the disc from an iso, I would use the write existing data feature on CloneDVD2? And all of the menus, etc would be just as the original disc?

You may not be able to answer this last question but would older iso's I had created for archival before I had RedFox software work the same? (in the past I used ImgBurn to create them) - or would I need to recreate those iso's?

Thanks James.
 
ckelly33 said:
I was reading a thread from 2016 - if it is still correct, if I am going to rip burned home/non-protected DVD movies to iso, I should use CloneDVD2 - correct (or has something changed in the last 5 years)?
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I still recommend this, but if you only intend to watch the isos and not post-process anything, you can use AnyDVD ripper.

ckelly33 said:
My second question is IF I ever need to reproduce the disc from an iso, I would use the write existing data feature on CloneDVD2? And all of the menus, etc would be just as the original disc?
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Yes.

ckelly33 said:
You may not be able to answer this last question but would older iso's I had created for archival before I had RedFox software work the same? (in the past I used ImgBurn to create them) - or would I need to recreate those iso's?
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Yes. I don't think you need to recreate isos. Assuming AnyDVD was running.
 
Creating an iso straight from AnyDVD fails on a handful of my discs (BD-R's, authored with PowerDirector, no copy protection/encryption). I've also tried ImgBurn and CloneBD - both fail as well. I can't figure this out because these discs play fine and I wouldn't think there'd be any sort of encryption added by PowerDrirector.

Any tips here? Anything I can tweak in the settings? I've done 30 DVD's and 25 BD-R's without issue....but these last 5 are giving me issues (pretty sure 3 of 5 are 50GB, if it matters). I've ripping toimage and folder without success

Any help would be greatly appreciated. A successful tip will get you a pizza via PayPal!
 
ckelly33 said:
Creating an iso straight from AnyDVD fails on a handful of my discs (BD-R's, authored with PowerDirector, no copy protection/encryption). I've also tried ImgBurn and CloneBD - both fail as well. I can't figure this out because these discs play fine and I wouldn't think there'd be any sort of encryption added by PowerDrirector.

Any tips here? Anything I can tweak in the settings? I've done 30 DVD's and 25 BD-R's without issue....but these last 5 are giving me issues (pretty sure 3 of 5 are 50GB, if it matters). I've ripping toimage and folder without success

Any help would be greatly appreciated. A successful tip will get you a pizza via PayPal!
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The error message and an AnyDVD log would be needed on any disc that isn't working.
 
ckelly33 said:
Creating an iso straight from AnyDVD fails on a handful of my discs (BD-R's, authored with PowerDirector, no copy protection/encryption). I've also tried ImgBurn and CloneBD - both fail as well. I can't figure this out because these discs play fine and I wouldn't think there'd be any sort of encryption added by PowerDrirector.

Any tips here? Anything I can tweak in the settings? I've done 30 DVD's and 25 BD-R's without issue....but these last 5 are giving me issues (pretty sure 3 of 5 are 50GB, if it matters). I've ripping toimage and folder without success

Any help would be greatly appreciated. A successful tip will get you a pizza via PayPal!
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Does copying to folder work?
 
.but these last 5 are giving me issues (pretty sure 3 of 5 are 50GB, if it matters). I've ripping toimage and folder without success

These are all burnt discs. You wouldn't need AnyDVD anyway because the protection should have been removed beforehand.

And I bet the 50 GB BD-Rs have all issues at the layer break from layer 0 to 1 when 25GB are reached. And I bet they were made with a LG drive that is a miserable burner for 50Gb discs. Most likely you can't save them 100%. ISOPuzzle or DVDisaster might be of help to rescue as much as possible.
 
James said:
Does copying to folder work?
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I'll try again but pretty sure I've run these discs through every option that I know of. I'll first try to go straight to iso (again) to generate an error/log, then will try this (again) and will post what I get here as well if it doens't complete
 
coopervid said:
.but these last 5 are giving me issues (pretty sure 3 of 5 are 50GB, if it matters). I've ripping toimage and folder without success

These are all burnt discs. You wouldn't need AnyDVD anyway because the protection should have been removed beforehand.

And I bet the 50 GB BD-Rs have all issues at the layer break from layer 0 to 1 when 25GB are reached. And I bet they were made with a LG drive that is a miserable burner for 50Gb discs. Most likely you can't save them 100%. ISOPuzzle or DVDisaster might be of help to rescue as much as possible.
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They aren't all 50GB. I think only 2-3 are. My drive is indeed an LG. I will try your suggestions and post the results ASAP. Between these three suggestions, I have a few hours of work to do!
 
While I am ripping to a folder (and waiting on the error to most likely generate), here's what I'm doing and seeing:

  1. Whether I choose rip to image or folder/harddisk, the process always starts fine.
  2. Good discs complete, but the trouble ones I can hear the drive slow down as it tries to read trouble sectors (I'm guessing this is why it slows). This happens whether I use AnyDVD or any other solution. The discs are clean and they are playable. I have 2 copies of every disc I've made - on two different brands of media (my original backup method)
  3. Once these discs slow, I wait minutes or hours (depending on the disc) for it to hopefully complete but these never have (obviously why I am here). Ultimately I get an error
  4. This is one of the interesting parts - the discs (if damaged or had a write error) I would assume would slow/time out at the same percentage. But they don't. As I type, I've tun the same disc twice. The first time it stopped at 34%, on the second run it just ran to completion LOL!!
So one down - I will see how the others compare (ripping to folder the 100th time around). I'm happy with my folder, but for the sake of uniformity - can I get it to an iso without pulling my hair out? (keeping menus, etc from the original disc intact)?

(@coopervid) And yes, I know I don't need AnyDVD to rip these unprotected discs, but I already have this software

(@mmdavis) the log of the disc that HAD been giving me an issue is attached, I ran it after the last unsuccessful run. But then it ran to completion....you may want another
 

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I've tried this disc 3x with AnyDVD today. It stops at various percentages (23,20,19) and Gives various sectors as the issue (though same file). The photo on next post
 

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Image of 3 errors on same disc as noted above
 

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Here is the log file of the backup 'clone' of the disc given above - which also ended in error - again at a different percentage 54% and different sectors (8695253-8695267). I tried to 'continue' but no dice.
 

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Bad burns. For 25GB discs use Verbatim. Don't burn any 50GB discs with a LG burner. You need a Pioneer burner and you have to slow burning speed down to 2x for it to burn 50GB discs w/o issues. And you need Verbatim Japan 50GB discs. Anything else is junk.
 
coopervid said:
Bad burns. For 25GB discs use Verbatim. Don't burn any 50GB discs with a LG burner. You need a Pioneer burner and you have to slow burning speed down to 2x for it to burn 50GB discs w/o issues. And you need Verbatim Japan 50GB discs. Anything else is junk.
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I use Verbatim for at least one of the discs for every project. Sound like a pioneer burner is my next purchase. I bought the LG for M Disc and have never used it
 
Gonna try ISOPuzzle or DVDisaster as you recommended for the 4 remaining discs. If all else fails. I will just capture the video output and rechapter and re-burn (with the time I have spent, this would have been the 'easy' solution).
 
After a read error, it has let me continue creating the folder. If it is able to power through and finish with just the one read error of a few sectors -any speculation as to how much of a difference it will make in my folder/iso (assuming it completes after just one read error)?

Never mind....on to Plan B
 
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