Noticed a couple days ago that apparently the ability to run older versions yet still recieve 'live' updates has been turned off. Okay, I realize that changes have to be made, and yes, it's been a long time since the 64bit OS (vista) I'm running (I also have a 32bit machine without the driver signing problems) basically was abandoned, and their were several work arounds posted here that I tried at the time but none of them worked. So now I'm forced to try again to install the latest, 18.104.22.168, and try all the 'fixes' that were posted a decade ago and try and get any of them, including any new ideas if any, to work. So far, no go. Although installing with the 'nosha2check' still appears to work, it still results in a 'program compatability' popup and problems that result in locking out the optical drives (and of course redfox). Again, I'm not totally hosed, as I have a 32bit machine that doesn't require the driver signage, and it continues to work just fine (cross the fingers). Just that it's yet another hoop I jump through to allocate time on that machine and then pull the result over to the other iron for processing. Way back when, I pulled out a 'virgin' machine (no additional installs x64 vista) box (still have it) and couldn't get it to install then, so that's why I gave up (but live updates still worked on older versions so....). I still have that machine and If I get really motivated I'll pull it off the rack. But I'll live with what I have for now. Would like a confirmation that the live updates for older versions has indeed been abandoned, and any further thoughts on what possible workarounds will maybe work to install the newest.