Feature Request: Offline Integration

zero269

zero269

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Hello RedFox,

I'm not sure how plausible this even is, however, I did think about it and figured I would throw it your way to see if this is something RedFox has already thought about themselves.

I have a very basic understanding on how AS works. So, I'm wondering if it's possible to integrate "offline streaming" with the Prime App for Windows 10?

I wonder if it's possible to grab the playback and decrypt that way? This allows for content to be played offline, and not worry about the limits due to online streaming concerns.

It's just a thought...
 
zero269 said:
Hello RedFox,

I'm not sure how plausible this even is, however, I did think about it and figured I would throw it your way to see if this is something RedFox has already thought about themselves.

I have a very basic understanding on how AS works. So, I'm wondering if it's possible to integrate "offline streaming" with the Prime App for Windows 10?

I wonder if it's possible to grab the playback and decrypt that way? This allows for content to be played offline, and not worry about the limits due to online streaming concerns.

It's just a thought...
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I was wondering the same thing, but I'm guessing if they could they would have already. It's likely that the decryption is completely different when done offline.
 
either you want to stream something so you have to pay someone to have the service/s running to get the content from A to B
or you store everything you want to watch on drives for offline watching and or LAN streaming.

thats it.
 
supersonik said:
either you want to stream something so you have to pay someone to have the service/s running to get the content from A to B
or you store everything you want to watch on drives for offline watching and or LAN streaming.

thats it.
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I don't understand what you're saying, what does this have to do with the request of offline integration?
 
you're request makes no sense
and you dont need to understand what as does in no point to know this.

when you're offline
you're offline, disconnected from the internet, the world wide web.

so you dont get amazon app or as running because you're offline.

if you cut your cable
or your wifi adapter gets broken you're offline


you can either watch your amazon stuff directly in the app/s of amazon or the webrowser.
or
you download the file with as.

simple as 123
 
supersonik said:
you're request makes no sense
and you dont need to understand what as does in no point to know this.

when you're offline
you're offline, disconnected from the internet, the world wide web.

so you dont get amazon app or as running because you're offline.

if you cut your cable
or your wifi adapter gets broken you're offline


you can either watch your amazon stuff directly in the app/s of amazon or the webrowser.
or
you download the file with as.

simple as 123
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What in the world are you talking about?
First of all, this was not my request, zero269 made it.

Second of all, by "offline integration" we both clearly meant the possibility for AnyStream to decrypt the files downloaded by the official Primevideo app, with the advantages of not being detected in any way by anyone, no download limit (since the download would be done by the official app) and greater download speed.
No one suggested you could magically download stuff without an internet connection.
 
zero269 said:
Hello RedFox,

I'm not sure how plausible this even is, however, I did think about it and figured I would throw it your way to see if this is something RedFox has already thought about themselves.

I have a very basic understanding on how AS works. So, I'm wondering if it's possible to integrate "offline streaming" with the Prime App for Windows 10?

I wonder if it's possible to grab the playback and decrypt that way? This allows for content to be played offline, and not worry about the limits due to online streaming concerns.

It's just a thought...
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Don't know about the App on Windows 10, but the Prime App on iPad "best" quality is lower than streaming quality (presumably, one of the reasons is to deter people from deciphering the downloaded content, and if they do it's lower quality)...
 
0x0x0x0x0 said:
Don't know about the App on Windows 10, but the Prime App on iPad "best" quality is lower than streaming quality (presumably, one of the reasons is to deter people from deciphering the downloaded content, and if they do it's lower quality)...
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The app on Windows 10 downloads at the best video quality (CBR) up to 1080p, but the audio is only stereo. (https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GUVGB3QMQRYRERYW)

These are the technical specifications of the video of a tv show episode that I downloaded both with the official app and with AnyStream.

Official app
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference : 4 frames
Codec ID : encv / avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 46 min 1 s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 6 144 kb/s
Nominal bit rate : 10 000 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 21.2 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.124
Stream size : 1.98 GiB (100%)
Encryption : Encrypted
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Codec configuration box : avcC

AnyStream
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference : 4 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 46 min 1 s
Bit rate : 3 406 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 22.1 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.069
Stream size : 1.10 GiB (84%)
Encoded date : UTC 2020-10-27 23:43:10
Tagged date : UTC 2020-10-27 23:43:10
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Codec configuration box : avcC
 
winoni71 said:
The app on Windows 10 downloads at the best video quality (CBR) up to 1080p, but the audio is only stereo. (https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GUVGB3QMQRYRERYW)

These are the technical specifications of the video of a tv show episode that I downloaded both with the official app and with AnyStream.

Official app
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference : 4 frames
Codec ID : encv / avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 46 min 1 s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 6 144 kb/s
Nominal bit rate : 10 000 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 21.2 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.124
Stream size : 1.98 GiB (100%)
Encryption : Encrypted
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Codec configuration box : avcC

AnyStream
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference : 4 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 46 min 1 s
Bit rate : 3 406 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 22.1 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.069
Stream size : 1.10 GiB (84%)
Encoded date : UTC 2020-10-27 23:43:10
Tagged date : UTC 2020-10-27 23:43:10
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Codec configuration box : avcC
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Why do you think CBR is best video quality---you're wasting energy when you don't need to, and lacking energy when you do? (The iPad app also has "best" video quality but its "estimated" file size is smaller that the estimated streaming size, and playback is notably blurrier, perhaps Win App is better, is it relying on SGX/TPM?)
 
winoni71 said:
What in the world are you talking about?
First of all, this was not my request, zero269 made it.

Second of all, by "offline integration" we both clearly meant the possibility for AnyStream to decrypt the files downloaded by the official Primevideo app, with the advantages of not being detected in any way by anyone, no download limit (since the download would be done by the official app) and greater download speed.
No one suggested you could magically download stuff without an internet connection.
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Well said winoni71... :cool:

Perhaps supersuckit should read slower next time to allow some of that good ol' fashion critical thinking to kick in before spouting off.
 
winoni71 said:
The app on Windows 10 downloads at the best video quality (CBR) up to 1080p, but the audio is only stereo. (https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GUVGB3QMQRYRERYW)

These are the technical specifications of the video of a tv show episode that I downloaded both with the official app and with AnyStream.

Official app
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference : 4 frames
Codec ID : encv / avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 46 min 1 s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 6 144 kb/s
Nominal bit rate : 10 000 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 21.2 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.124
Stream size : 1.98 GiB (100%)
Encryption : Encrypted
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Codec configuration box : avcC

AnyStream
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference : 4 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 46 min 1 s
Bit rate : 3 406 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 22.1 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.069
Stream size : 1.10 GiB (84%)
Encoded date : UTC 2020-10-27 23:43:10
Tagged date : UTC 2020-10-27 23:43:10
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Codec configuration box : avcC
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An excellent find winoni71. Thanks for sharing. I never used the app myself. I watch from my AppleTV 4K in the living room or my iPad, so I would have never guessed this limitation would be in place. That's pretty pathetic on Amazons part considering surround sound has been supported by computer systems for a very long time now.

Oh, well. Forget about this as a possibility for now. However, I am still curious as to the developers opinions on if it would be possible to even interface with the App and decrypt the content offline. That would still be pretty amazing.
 
zero269 said:
That's pretty pathetic on Amazons part considering surround sound has been supported by computer systems for a very long time now.

Oh, well. Forget about this as a possibility for now.
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Agreed, I lost all interest in this when I found out.
Better to have slower download speed with 5.1 audio than the opposite.
 
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