Asus...helping the HTPC BD/HD DVD crowd

Discussion in 'AnyDVD HD (Blu-ray issues)' started by SamuriHL, Oct 31, 2007.

  1. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

  2. Clams

    Clams Well-Known Member

    I don't get it? What can that do that an HTPC with a BD/HD combo drive can't?
    I mean, even the older Nvidia 6000 series pushes enough pixels to handle HD.

    -W
     
  3. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Well, that motherboard has HDMI outputs, which is nice (also Quad monitor display/4 outputs).
     
  4. TM2-Megatron

    TM2-Megatron Well-Known Member

    It still means you're stuck using crappy onboard graphics, though. From the sounds of that chipset, it's sounds mostly like a G33 with DX10 support. And most 1st-gen DX10 cards are mediocre, anyway. When I built a new system about a month ago and it came down to something from ATI's HD2x00 line or the X1950 Pro, I went with the latter. And if most of the seperate cards aren't that hot, I doubt the onboard DX10 graphics will be particularly impressive.

    IMO, you're better off picking up a board with the P35 or upcoming X38 chipset and getting a seperate graphics card.
     
  5. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    I'm not going to study that motherboard closely right now as I'm very tired. However, it seems to me that a half-decent motherboard would allow you to disable onboard graphics if you want and allow you to add your own card.


    As a gamer, it will be a cold day in hell before I ever use onboard graphics.

    But I was responding to Clam's question. If the onboard graphics solution is good enough for HTPC users, then it does seem like an interesting piece of hardware.
     
  6. captain_video

    captain_video Well-Known Member

    HDMI outputs on a PC provide no advantage when it comes to HD-DVD or BD playback. As someone stated, you're stuck with crappy onboard graphics. Transmitting the audio via HDMI is a worthless feature unless you are feeding the output to a receiver, preamp/processor, or outboard HDMI switcher that has compatible HDMI switching. There is absolutely no difference in the video output between HDMI and DVI. Since most graphics cards don't handle audio, DVI outputs are perfectly fine. I feed the S/PDIF output from my motherboard to my preamp/processor and let it handle all of the audio processing chores.
     
  7. Adbear

    Adbear Well-Known Member

    I have an ATI 2600 and output my Blu-ray and HD DVD's from my PC thru that via HDMI with the audio to my amp which then passes the video thru to the TV. I find it a great advantage as I don't need to have yet another cable going up the wall to my screen. And I'm pretty much guaranteed the video and audio stay in sync as it's all handled by the video and audio chips on the 2600 card. But I do agree, at the moment onboard solutions aren't good enough to use
     
  8. mfast

    mfast Active Member

    Are you already able to pass the new DD-True HD and DTS-HD audio formats ?

    Regards
    Marco
     
  9. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    Wow, this brought up a lot of discussion. :D Yes, the thing about that board that impressed me was the ability to do quad video. You can stick 2 graphics cards in the thing(PCI-e, of course) and still use the HDMI and vga outputs from the mainboard in addition. That's pretty sweet. For *MY* purposes, having HDMI built onto the mobo means that I don't need an extra graphics card. This makes it silent and less power hungry for a PURE HTPC. That's what I was contemplating when I saw this board, anyway. If you want to use it for gaming, add an SLI setup with the NVidia cards of your choice, but, for a strict HTPC, which is what I want to build, this is great. No added expense of a graphics card for me, either.
     
  10. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    Yes, exactly. You'd be an idiot to think this is great for gaming and that is absolutely NOT what I was getting at. Just a strict, no nonsense HTPC with HDMI built in for video and sound output. To me, that's perfect.
     
  11. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    That's just it, though. I DO plan on getting a new receiver to handle audio through HDMI, and that's why I think this would be a nice board to build an HTPC with. One cable, as adbear mentioned, versus several. And since it's JUST an HTPC, I don't care how good the graphics are as long as it handles HD video and audio formats. You can't do uncompressed audio through S/PDIF. HDMI is definitely the way to go for that, IMO.
     
  12. FTX

    FTX Active Member

    Actually, most mainboards with the Intel G33 and G35 chipset that feature onboard HDMI have this functionality. So also, the G33 based barebone from Shuttle.

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  13. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    Interesting. This was the first board I'd seen with this functionality. I guess I'll have to do some more research. It'll be a few months before I'm ready to build a new HTPC, but, this is definitely something I want to look into.
     
  14. diogen

    diogen Member

  15. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    Holy Snikes!!! I wasn't aware any of the AMD boards had HDMI out like that. HMMMM, and for that price, I may have to go shopping here shortly. I'd need a case(I like the one they recommended), the mobo, a proc, and some memory. With the newegg deal going on, yea, I think I'm going to consider this as an early Xmas present. We'll see. It'll still end up costing me about 400 bucks or so when all is said and done, but, it'd be a really nice upgrade to my HTPC.

    EDIT: Ok, I pulled the trigger. Newegg had a special on 2 gigs of ram that'd work for that machine, so, I got the case, the mobo, the proc (4200+), and 2 gigs of DDR2 800 for 320 something delivered. My wife is going to shoot me hardcore for this but that's just an incredible deal and I'll now be able to play my HD DVD's in 1080p using this thing. So, I DEFINITELY thank you for that suggestion as it was a really good one.
     
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  16. diogen

    diogen Member

  17. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    That's an interesting drive. :) I MAY wait for a combo blu-ray/hd dvd burner but we'll see. Having a blu-ray reader at the very least would be useful simply cause I have to rip images from my PS3 right now. But, yes, I'm quite excited. Just realized I don't have another spare optical cable right now which massively sucks, but, that's ok. I'll deal with it at some point this weekend. I can't wait to watch Transformers again in 1080p instead of 1080i that I get on the 360. The parts should be here Monday or Tuesday so I can build it next week. WOO HOO.
     
  18. FTX

    FTX Active Member

    I tought that the 690 chipset only did DD or DTS on the HDMI (basicly the same he can sent on the SPDIF)? As far as I know, only the Intel G33 and G35 actually allow 8-channel LPCM on the HDMI together with the video...

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  19. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Retired Moderator

    We'll find out. At this point, I don't have any audio solution that uses HDMI yet. When I do, if it doesn't allow uncompressed audio, then I'll simply get a video card at that point that allows it and shut off the internal one. This will be a great solution for me for now.
     
  20. diogen

    diogen Member

    Regular DD/DTS or the lossless version of them?

    The onboard Realtek 889A audio chipset does regular DD/DTS very nicely over optical digital out (onboard).
    As I mentioned above it even does DTS Audio (i.e. bypasses kmixer in WinXP; Vista doesn't have kmixer).
    Lossless bitstream DD/DTS seems to be HDMI only by design (regardless of motherboard/chipset).
    Decoded analog out seems to be fine using latest PowerDVD.

    Diogen.