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News - ruling against RealDVD

What I mean is, does this ruling now say that defeating CSS by a consumer is illegal? They've never actually said that, when you own a copy of the source material.
 
The issue isn't quite the same between what the judge ruled concerning Real and Slysoft.

In a 58-page ruling that negates most of RealNetworks' argument in favor of RealDVD and appears to lay the groundwork for a final ruling, Patel said that despite the convenience RealDVD may offer users to back-up their movies, the software violates federal law and the CSS (content scramble system) license agreement RealNetworks signed with the DVD Copy Control Association.

"As a licensee to the [CSS] Agreement, Real had no authority to make RealDVD products that copy DVD content," wrote Patel, who also presided over the Napster music sharing case in 2001. "Other courts have come to this same conclusion...The RealDVD products, by their very nature, open a veritable Pandora's box of liability for Real."
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Real signed a license agreement and then willfully violated it. That appears to be the crux of the case.

This ruling wouldn't impact Slysoft since I would have to believe that they have no such license agreements with the DVD Copy Control Association or other such entities. If Slysoft has no license or contract then they can't break what doesn't exist. This leads us back to the grey area in the DMCA.
 
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I am wondering the dollar amounts of the kickbacks judge Marilyn Patel received from Paramount, Sony, Universal studios, and Walt Disney for her bias decision.

I bet at LEAST one million went thru the back door and into her purse.

:D
 
Here's some of a report about this from Betanews. This is actually some rather fascinating stuff, IMHO.

Source: Betanews
Full article: http://www.betanews.com/article/Judge-invokes-DMCA-in-upholding-ban-on-RealDVD/1250090662

Judge invokes DMCA in upholding ban on RealDVD
By Scott M. Fulton, III | Published August 12, 2009, 11:24 AM

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By Real's own testimony in the case, its engineers sought legal and defensible means to thwart these two brand-name intentional error-generating mechanisms, ARccOS and RipGuard, in order to build a DVD archiving system. The initial project for Windows-based software for home media computers was code-named "Vegas" (named for the phrase, "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas"); while a future edition using a branded hardware component containing a hard drive, was called "Facet." "The Real software engineering team... spent over a year creating software that would ensure that Facet never encountered ARccOS or RipGuard errors as it made a copy," according to the decision.

But Facet used a unique error-correcting method that went over and above Vegas, and could be construed as a next-generation copy-protection defeat system. It went so far as to create a virtual machine in the computer's memory, that would pretend to play a DVD just like an ordinary DVD player, but whose internal clock was intentionally accelerated. To the VM, it would be "playing" the DVD at normal speed; in the real world, it was copying the DVD at an accelerated rate. The process was called "DVD Walk."

Because DVD Walk could copy anything it played at the speed it created for itself, it had no reason to try to detect whether any errors it encountered were accidental or intentional...because it wouldn't encounter them. "Facet switches to DVD Walk regardless of the cause of the errors it encounters. There is no explicit mechanism or code in Facet to identify ARccOS or RipGuard errors with certainty; Facet only recognizes sector errors, whether intentional or inadvertent, such as from a scratch."

Yet when Facet did encounter those sector errors, it managed those errors differently than a normal DVD player would, since its intention was, after all, to make a copy. Effectively, it did a better job of error-correction than the error-correcting code that all DVD players have, and it did all this while still avoiding the low-level error detection that would have red-flagged an error as an intentional one. In other words, there are ways to spot an ARccOS or RipGuard error; by not doing so, Real was in violation.

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DrinkLyeAndDie said:
Here's some of a report about this from Betanews. This is actually some rather fascinating stuff, IMHO.

Source: Betanews
Full article: http://www.betanews.com/article/Judge-invokes-DMCA-in-upholding-ban-on-RealDVD/1250090662
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Interesting, this ruling could be dangerous for 1-click and their CPRx. I think they're not US based (Canada?).
I wonder why all these "copy software" guys never have an imprint on their website.... If I buy something I really want to know from whom and from where... :rolleyes:
 
fast eddie said:
I am wondering the dollar amounts of the kickbacks judge Marilyn Patel received from Paramount, Sony, Universal studios, and Walt Disney for her bias decision.

I bet at LEAST one million went thru the back door and into her purse.

:D
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I don't think they had to pay any money.
Real violated the contract with the DVD copy control association. Very simple.
 
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What I mean is, does this ruling now say that defeating CSS by a consumer is illegal? They've never actually said that, when you own a copy of the source material.
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Yes. Actually, it has always said it. It even says it on every dvd you buy (illegal to copy, even without monetary gain). If you have to bypass copy protection, to make a copy, it's illegal (in the US, and a lot of other countries). When you buy a dvd, you don't own the movie. The studio still owns the movie. You just own the disc, and have bought the right to watch it, whenever you want. I've told you this before, but everyone called me a liar, because you didn't want it to be true.

Just as before, as long as you're not selling copies, they aren't going to spend the money or manpower to hunt you down.
 
Patel said that despite the convenience RealDVD may offer users to back-up their movies, the software violates federal law and the CSS (content scramble system) license agreement RealNetworks signed with the DVD Copy Control Association.
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Do you need to read it again? the software violates federal law.

Since the studios own the copyrights, they can allow copying, if they want to. So, they started including the "Digital Copy" discs, in with a lot of movies, so you could copy it to your computer. But it's supposed to be used for iPods, and other mobile devices. As I said, you don't have to worry about being busted, unless you're selling copies. We are here at these forums, because we all make backups, for our personal use. It's just not actually legal in most of the world.
 
@Dennyd61

Its already here, its preliminary name (1st choice) Clown_BD and (2nd choice) TSMUXER and (3rd choice) BD rebuilder

With these three tools you can build the source Blu-ray disk ANYWAY YOU WANT TO. Some examples:

1. By chapters
2. By blank disk size
3. By playlist file (MPLS)
4. By one or more M2TS files for ANY PART of the source disk
5. By video, audio and subtitle streams
6. By video and audio streams only
7. With or without hi def audio
8. With or without compression
9 Splitting by M2TS files
:agree:
 
BD cloning product

dennyd61 said:
whas up with clone dvd bluray
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It's coming. We expect to have this in the next months. Good things take time and there are some other considerations in the game as well. Be patient. 8)
 
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