Concerning AnyDVD, what should I do with this disc?

[Perene]

This is about PiP streams not being ripped correctly for this title; but in the end, I also mention AnyDVD, please advise what I can do to avoid the problems I had playing in my computer.

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Apparently whenever we have PiP stuff in those movies we have no recourse besides watching it from the disc. I would like some input if that's the case. This is only 1 movie being discussed, but the same difficulties are for sure repeated over all that have the same kind of content.

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This is the movie affected:

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=4229&d2=4230&c=1741

Also check this:

https://dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=13930

It's available in 2 cuts. Theatrical: 1h44m, Extended, 1h48m.

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As you can see, among the contents of that disc:

Picture-in-Picture video commentary by writer/director Chris Carter and co-writer Frank Spotnitz
"Behind the Camera" interactive bonus view feature (Profile 1.1)
"Storyboards and Concept Art" interactive bonus view feature (Profile 1.1)
"The X-Files Complete Timeline" interactive bonus view feature

PIP is one of them.

I tried using TSMuxer yesterday, but failed; also, Clown-BD extracted the whole thing (checking 00001.MPLS if I am not mistaken), but subtitles after 2 minutes became out of sync, probably because it was the moment during the movie (while watching with PiP) for it to become silent, after the 1st scene; another thing I noticed is that we have a 1h video from the PiP itself (with the two guys), and that same length for the DTS-Extreme 2.0 audio, and subtitles.

But the idea of the disc is to present this PiP during a 2 hour movie.

So all of it became a mess when trying to use MAKEMKV to extract.

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First of all (I am going to explain what went wrong from the start):

This is what MAKEMKV showed while checking this disc (already in my SSD). In my case, the disc is not from the U.S.:

https://i.postimg.cc/NG1s9WMH/S1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/6p1txKHD/S2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/KvfmQBtc/S3.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/BQ4qxMLw/S4.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/nhLpWr14/S5.jpg

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Can you see any indication there's a DTS-Express 2.0 track there? (Remember this is the commentary track for the PiP).

Or the secondary video stream, which is in 480p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 3.2, and not 1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1?

No. The four 20 GB options MAKEMKV show in those POSTIMG screens do not include PiP. AT ALL. Completely ignored.

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Now, oddly MAKEMKV shows plenty of smaller files to be copied as MKVs, which I assumed to be extra features.

Yet, not all of them are. After I used MAKEMKV, I noticed that file-46 was from the movie (first 2 minutes), but it featured the DTS-Express 2.0 track.

Look:

https://i.postimg.cc/Wbw0nW9D/DTS2.jpg

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Then, we go to file-47 with another 2 minutes; file 48 with 20 minutes, file 49 with 1 minute and so on.

If all of them combined make a single movie, then I have to merge all of these:

FILES 46 through 62:

https://i.postimg.cc/RFvWN4BX/MERGE.jpg

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The problem is that even if we could only have the entire 2h movie with the PIP commentary, it was MAKEMKV's job to merge all these parts, not mine. I had to "append" all of them, using MKVTOOLNIX:

https://i.postimg.cc/6q0gtVhM/APPEND.jpg

MKVTOOLNIX also warned me about this:

The codec's private data does not match. Both have the same length (127) but different content. Please make sure that the resulting file plays correctly the whole time. The author of this program will probably not give support for playback issues with the resulting file

13 times.

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The end result has 1h44m (theatrical), and the DTS-Express track is there. All good, right? Well... no.

https://i.postimg.cc/VLbzPvrn/END-RESULT.jpg

This scene from the screenshot is in sync the subtitles and the PIP commentary. But if I check other moments, such as 11m50s, the subtitle is out of sync a few seconds. And in several other moments the same subtitles are that way. Which makes no sense... until you think about it WHY.

The PIP commentary has only 1 hour recorded, probably; same for the PIP video. The disc itself activates both when needed, but when they should not appear, the authoring fill these gaps with SILENCE / NOTHING. But when MAKEMKV ripped in this fashion, everything broke. And how do I know there's silence?

Checking the END RESULT; for example, at 37m52s, the file is silent, but the subtitles are still being displayed:

https://i.postimg.cc/brGXHVc4/SILENT.jpg

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To sum things up, even this idea of appending all these parts... FAILED.

And there's more:

I told earlier this movie has an extended cut. With 4 minutes more. So this, even if it worked, would only cover theatrical.

But checking the ripped MKVs, starting with FILE-63, this should be from the beginning of the movie, right? Since 46 through 62 were that way.

No. FILE-63 is from 2 minutes into the movie. And the next ones should probably be combined with a few of the theatrical cut (46-62), because when a disc is created with 2 cuts, only those which add new content are new, if something is the same for both, seamless branching uses only what needs to.

Also, I checked file-47 (the second from that "END RESULT", and after the first few seconds, the PIP commentary is abruply cut. I am posting file-47 (only 2 minutes long and 371 MB) for you to see for yourself:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13OVVZjz2I2wMRdhzgTK4MVHfXrbHMijb/view?usp=drive_link

All of this mess means we can't extract this kind of content from the original disc, and we are forced to put the disc (or the ISO) everytime we want to check it. All these programs, MAKEMKV included, are probably useless for ripping such things.

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Clown-BD:

Contrary to MAKEMKV, it was capable of extracting the PIP video, and the DTS-Express track:

https://i.postimg.cc/d156tJXK/CLOWN.jpg

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Check it out: 1 hour of video, and even the subtitles are there:

https://i.postimg.cc/4smBzVRB/EXTRACTED.jpg

After checking BDMV\PLAYLIST\00001.mpls.

Guess what happens after 2 minutes?

Everything is out of sync. That DTS-Express track, and its subtitles. So, the PIP video is also useless to me.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19Alp2cDgGtY-DQRSodokavCoSzDL2cjw/view?usp=drive_link

This is a 3 minute video showing how the PIP video gets out of sync. I am posting here to prove my point.

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And that's not all: even AnyDVD-HD was not helping me:

PlayerFab and PowerDVD were not capable of playing the Blu-ray folders in my SSD.

This is what they both showed:

https://i.postimg.cc/jdjx5Tgd/RBC.jpg

Do I need to rip this again? My drive is region A, and has already been set to R-4 (Brazil). So, 4 changes left.

If I create an ISO from the BD folders located in my SSD (UDF only), this is what AnyDVD will report:

Total size: 22253569 sectors (43464 MBytes)
Video Blu-ray label: MYISO
Media is not AACS protected.
Note: automatic detection of region code not possible with this disc.
No AACS, skipping Java fixes.
Bad sector protection not found.

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[DeepSpace]

Even though your description appears to be detailed, it might be better if you create and post a full logfile of the disc or discs, not only a description and the text output at the end of your post.

 

[coopervid]

Rip to folder or ISO by right-clicking the fox in the tray.

 

[James]

Rip to folder or ISO by right-clicking the fox in the tray.

Iso. Otherwise sector positions of interleaved files are lost.

 

[Perene]

Even though your description appears to be detailed, it might be better if you create and post a full logfile of the disc or discs, not only a description and the text output at the end of your post.

About all I said, I verified both commentaries and they are the same, so there's only one.

The audio commentary MAKEMKV rips is the same from the PiP;

The difference is that the authoring adjusts it, so it can be 1h44m in length ("silence" is inserted to fill the blanks), while PiP is 1 hour and a few minutes, and that same commentary can only be heard when the recorded video from the 2 guys appear in the bottom of the screen/movie.

What we can't do is rip the 1h video from the PiP and have a secondary audio in sync. MAKEMKV ignores that video, and ClownBD can't fix this.

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I need to know is why PlayerFab and PowerDVD show that warning about the disc being Region B/C and my computer incapable of playing (and I say "my PC" because this movie is already in my SSD, the BDMV folders, so it doesn't matter the state of my Blu-ray drive, if any are plugged).

If I look inside PlayerFab and PowerDVD, I'll see this:

This X-Files Blu-ray is of european origin; my LG Blu-ray drive is already set at region 4/Brazil/NTSC for DVDs, and REGION A (same as U.S.). But what I don't get it is why that matters in any way, I assumed AnyDVD would get rid of any locked-region code once these files were (I assume decrypted) into my SSD. Do I need to rip it again? What exactly went wrong?

And when I tried to create a new ISO (UDF) for these BDMV folders, AnyDVD told this was region 1 (?) or that "automatic detection of region code not possible with this disc."

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Anyway, to sum things up: why, why PlayerFab and PowerDVD are unable to play these folders stored in my SSD?

Since we can't rip 100% of what discs like these contains, we need to watch them (or at least some bonus contents) from the disc itself, or from our HDD/SSD using PowerDVD and similar players. This is really needed, because some extras are not ripped properly, I noticed still galleries may display dozens of pictures in 1 second or this can happen in the last seconds (despite 95% being OK).

While if you try to do this using your regular Blu-ray player, you can skip to the next image of that slideshow with your remote control.

Not to mention needing that ISO to check the menus and specific stuff that wouldn't be useful in many MKVs, depending on how it was authored.

 

[coopervid]

Rip as ISO as James recommended. Load ISO in VCD and play it with PowerDVD. Don't fumble with MKV etc.

 

[Perene]

Rip as ISO as James recommended. Load ISO in VCD and play it with PowerDVD. Don't fumble with MKV etc.

You mean RIP as ISO the original disc, right? Because if we try to create an ISO from the BDMV/STREAM folders in our SSD (saving such ISO as UDF) this is what AnyDVD will say about it:

Summary for drive D: (AnyDVD HD 8.6.5.0, BDPHash.bin 20-03-11)
ELBY CLONEDRIVE 1.4
Drive (Hardware) Region: 1
Current profile: BD-R
Media is a Blu-ray disc.

Total size: 22253571 sectors (43464 MBytes)
Video Blu-ray label: TEST
Media is not AACS protected.
Note: automatic detection of region code not possible with this disc.
No AACS, skipping Java fixes.
Bad sector protection not found.

And again, PowerDVD/PlayerFab are saying the same thing:

 

[coopervid]

You need to set AnyDVD to remove that stuff.

 

[gdc333]

You mean RIP as ISO the original disc, right?

Yes. Anything else you do is wasting time.

Pretty sure that PIP is supported by BD Java, so an MKV created from a disc cannot ever render it - only a disc player/virtual player using the BD structure.

 

[coopervid]

So listen and don't do blahblah. Rip to ISO with the settings I posted. Load with VCD and play with PowerDVD.

 

[Perene]

You need to set AnyDVD to remove that stuff.

View attachment 73646

This is what I was looking for. Just for kicks I decided to try one last time... Things changed:

- AnyDVD created the 2nd ISO, and while it was doing, reported errors (probably due to the additional settings used). The final log:

Read Error Sectors: 44640-44654
Read Error Sectors: 44655-44669
Read Error Sectors: 44670-44684
Read Error Sectors: 44700-44714
Read Error Sectors: 44715-44729
Read Error Sectors: 44730-44744
Read Error Sectors: 44745-44759
Read Error Sectors: 44760-44774
Read Error Sectors: 44775-44789

- PowerDVD tried to open the ISO I mounted, but it was caught on a infinite loop. Loading Blu-ray disc... stopping, then trying again.

- PlayerFab showed another warning:

For some reason (probably because it's years old), this rip is useless, the disc needs to be checked again. What is odd is that MAKEMKV dealt with this "corrupt" ISO this way:

- ALL FILES were ripped; the movie and all bonus contents (minus the ones we can't convert to MKV)
- No errors reported (only said "AACS directory not present, assuming unencrypted disc");

P.S. AnyDVD crashed and told me to send this attached file...

 

[coopervid]

This is not due to the new settings. Your disc is dirty or defective.