This has nothing to do with Cinavia. Cinavia just mutes the audio
Not sure about Despicable me. I'm pretty sure my back up copy doesn't have Cinavia as I watched it on my PS3 and it plays fine.And guess what? I just right now tried a blu-ray rip of Dispicable Me and, you guessed it, does not play. Same scenario as above. During the opening minute it stops playing. Dispicable Me is another blu-ray known to have cinavia. I can even test 2 more movies known to have cinavia (The Karate Kid and Losers...haven't ripped these yet) if we need even further evidence.
If it looks like cinavia and smells like cinavia...
Cinavia protected discs display an actual Cinavia error message 3 for Blu-ray backups and only mute the audio. The symptoms you describe do NOT fit the Cinavia protection pattern at all.
Makes sense that both audio and video would stop working on cinavia protected Blu-ray medium rips if the cinavia detection is on the TV. Maybe this is how they are implementing the detection on TV's and since this hasn't been reported before we wouldn't know how it would be implemented on TV's.
I know you guys are skeptical but I am convinced this is cinavia. I am planning on returning this TV and getting a non-cinavia TV!
Not sure about Despicable me. I'm pretty sure my back up copy doesn't have Cinavia as I watched it on my PS3 and it plays fine.
Are you backing up as blu-ray structure or playing back as mkv? Some players won't play mkv's over a certain bitrate. It would make no sense to put Cinavia on the TV as it's not required and would be another license fee the manufacturers would have to pay for with no reason. It's only required at the decryption stage on the player
Also do we have confirmation that The Social Network has Cinavia as it's not on OUR confirmed list
A Cinavia capable TV, eh? And how does that work? The player passes along the TRUSTED_SOURCE information for the TV to know whether or not there's an original disc in the player or not? What you're saying here is impossible. There is absolutely no way for the _TV_ to implement Cinavia. Color me beyond skeptical and put me in the "not a chance" category.
Sounds more like your WD is either having problems playing them or not outputting the correct signal. Cinavia will allow you to see the picture but mutes the audio and displays a message
Then give me another explanation for this? I admit I am not as technically astute as many of you are on all this stuff and maybe I am missing something here, but what other explanation can there be? It's just a coincidence that only rips of blu-rays believed to have cinavia copy protection are not playing?
If I play these rips on the same WD TV version 2 off the same hard drive to an older TV and they play fine, will that convince you? I am going to try this later tonight. We will see.
You do also realise this screen has been out for quite a while, And no one else has reported it as having any 'cinavia' issues
You may be confusing this model with the LG LD450 which I believe was released Jan 2010. I believe this particular model was just released last Oct/Nov 2010 and may be only available at Best Buy. Not sure about that though. And you are saying "this screen" has been out for quite a while...maybe the screen has, don't know, but this particular model of TV has only been out maybe 3 months. The screen itself wouldn't have cinavia detection! It would be within the electronics of the TV components, of course.
Look, how Cinavia works has been explained over and over and over again. However, for your sake, I will explain it one more time. When the audio is mastered for the disc, a signal is embedded before encoding. This signal can survive all types of re-encoding and even analog recording. The DVD or Blu-ray is then mastered and mass produced. When you get it home, stick it in a Cinavia aware blu-ray *PLAYER*, the player detects the signal in the audio stream and then checks to see if the disc is a TRUSTED_SOURCE. That means, for the sake of this discussion, that it has AACS. If it's an original, then the AACS check passes and the audio is allowed to play. If the disc or whatever media you've converted it to (i.e. MKV) does not contain a valid AACS certificate, then the player will play for about 20 minutes and then display a Cinavia error message 3, and then will mute the audio. NOTE: the video continues to play.
That is *ALL* Cinavia does. Nothing more, nothing less. Implementing it in anyting but a player is impossible. Only the player itself can check the TRUSTED_SOURCE and determine if the media it's playing is valid or not. A TV has *NO IDEA* if what is being played is valid or not.
Therefore, I'm telling you with absolute certainty, that whatever the issue is, it's not Cinavia, and it's certainly NOT "Cinavia in the TV".
Please understand that the absense of a direct explanation for why your player is doing this to your backups is NOT evidence in the positive of your theory of a Cinavia enabled TV.
Excuse my ignorance, but why couldn't a TV be made to detect this "cinavia" audio signal?
The audio signal passes thru the TV as well.
It produces sound. Why couldn't the TV detect this signal in the audio stream and determine whether or not it is legit and if not shut down playback? A TV could conceivably have the same circuitry to detect this signal as a blu-ray player has...correct? Just because it hasn't been seen before doesn't mean they couldn't do it.
One way around cinavia has been to play back rips thru devices like the WD TV with older firmwares. I am not even sure if the WD TV Live or Live Plus with current firmware have cinavia detection. I haven't looked into this (??). But I know for sure that the older versions of WD TV do not. And that is what I am using. So putting cinavia on TV's would stop this as well. It would begin to shut down this cinavia work around. That would be the incentive to put cinavia detection in TV's. It would shut down virtually any playback of such rips that have cinavia to the TV.
Like I said I will try playing these MKV files on an older monitor and see what happens later tonite. Same WD TV and same HDD.
Also, the message I am getting is definitely from the TV. It is not from the WD TV. If it were a problem that the WD TV was having playing back the file I would see evidence of this within the WD TV interface, not the TV.
Furthermore, while one can see how they could implement it in the receivers (maybe by "updating" HDMI to allow player authentication by the receiver whenever Cinavia is detected), implementing on the TV would just make no sense, cause in a typical home theater environment the TV doesn't even receive audio, which is where Cinavia is encoded.