Verbatim BD Problem

[Chrisn01]

Hey guys, been having a few problems with some Vertbatim 50GB Dual Layer Disks 4x. Ordered two lots of 10 from 'Play Japan' and backed up fifteen 3D Movies over the last three months with no problems. However, the last five have all failed on three separate titles. Each time is states the same on Nero (See text below) and also failed one time on Image burn, Any Ideas as these discs are kinda expensive to be wasting:

9040-01CE-KZ45-07CE-8XH2-H8M1-****-****
X028-0083-29A5-AX8W-230U-91AM-****-****
X039-0086-9ZA6-XU21-0T72-TC4K-****-****
X017-206A-9865-700U-9ZU2-0XE3-****-****

Windows NT based 6.2
AMD64
Wow64Process
Nero Version: 15.0.25.0
Internal Version: 15,0,25,0
(Nero Express)
Recorder : <ASUS BW-12D1S-U> FW version: 1.20 - HA 1 TA 2 - 15.0.25.0
Device bus : <> HA 1
Host system bus : <USB 2>
Drive buffer : 4000kB
Bus Type : via Inquiry data
Connected to MMC as unknown drive with class-nr : 1
Drive is autodetected - recorder class: Std. MMC recorder
CD/DVD-ROM : <Optiarc BD RW BD-5750H > FW version: 1.00 - HA 1 TA 0 - 15.0.25.0
Device bus : <> HA 1
Host system bus : <S-ATA>

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
: ATA Samsung SSD 840 BB6Q iaStorA Port 0 ID 0 DMA: Off
: Optiarc BD RW BD-5750H 1.00 iaStorA Port 0 ID 0 DMA: Off
: ELBY CLONEDRIVE 1.4 VClone Port 3 ID 0 DMA: Off
: PATRIOT 0 UASPStor Port 5 ID 0 DMA: Off

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
Optiarc BD RW BD-5750H D: CdRom0
ELBY CLONEDRIVE E: CdRom1
ASUS BW-12D1S-U F: CdRom2
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 4095MB (4194303kB)
Free physical memory: 4095MB (4194303kB)
Memory in use : 31 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

3.9.2014
Burn BD Image
12:39:16 #1 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 617
LockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL

12:39:17 #2 PHASE 214 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 2066
Generation of disc structures started

12:39:17 #3 PHASE 215 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 2066
Generation of disc structures completed

12:39:17 #4 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3647
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using Blu-ray Disc media

12:39:18 #5 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 334
[F: BW-12D1S-U ] Total disc capacity: 24438784 47732MB
User data to be written: 17896960 34955MB
Free space on disc: 24438784 47732MB

12:39:18 #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 346
[F: BW-12D1S-U ] Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)

12:39:18 #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 3034
Recorder: ASUS BW-12D1S-U, Media type: BD-R (seq)

12:39:18 #8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 537
[F: BW-12D1S-U ] >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

12:39:18 #9 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 879
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (2 - CD-ROM Mode 1)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 17896960 (17896960) = #17896960/3977:6.10
not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 17896960 blocks [F: ASUS BW-12D1S-U]
--------------------------------------------------------------

12:39:18 #10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1095
Prepare [F: ASUS BW-12D1S-U] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1: Idx 0 Idx 1 Next Trk
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 36652974080, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
___Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_____Size_|______NWA_|_RecDep__________
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 17896960 | 17896960 | 0x00
17896960 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00
MediaType: BD-R DL

12:39:18 #11 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 404
SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_LOCK_VOLUME

12:39:18 #12 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4517
Caching options: cache CDRom or Network-Yes, small files-Yes (<64KB)

12:39:18 #13 PHASE 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 2066
Caching of files started

12:39:18 #14 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4639
Cache writing successful.

12:39:18 #15 PHASE 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 2066
Caching of files completed

12:39:18 #16 PHASE 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 2066
Burn process started at 2x (8,990 KB/s)

12:39:18 #17 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2926
Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

12:39:18 #18 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 10814
---- Disc Structure (BD): Disc Information on BD (00h) ----
Media Type: 1, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 4098
--- Header ---
Disc Information Identifier: <DI>
Disc Information Format: 01 h
Number of DI Units/Aux Frames in each DI block: 8
Number of (recording) layer to which this DI Unit applies: 0
DI unit Sequence Number in DI Block: 0
Continuation flag: Next DI Unit is the start of a new set of parameters (0)
Number of DI bytes in use in this DI unit: 98
--- Body ---
Disc Type Identifier: <BDR>
Disc Size/Class/Version: 1
DI Unit Format dependent contents:
BD Structure: 34 (22 h):
2 recording layer (DL), BD-R
Hybrid Disc identifier/Channel bit length: 1 (1 h):
no DVD layer present, no CD layer present
channel bit length of 74,5 nm (25.0 GB max. per layer)
Push-Pull polarity flag bits: 00 h
Recorded mark polarity flag bits: 00 h
BCA descriptor: BCA-code present (1)
Maximum transfer rate needed by the application: 0 Mbit/s
Data zone allocation:
First Physical ADIP Address of the Data Zone of the related layer (FAA): 00020000 h (131072)
Last Physical ADIP Address of the Data Zone of the related layer (LAA): 00194E7E h (1658494)
Recording velocities:
Nominal Recording Velocity: 4.92 m/s (1EC h)
Maximum Recording Velocity: 4.92 m/s (64 h -> 100/100)=1
Minimum Recording Velocity: 4.92 m/s (64 h -> 100/100)=1
...
22 01 00 00 01 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00
00 19 4E 7E 01 EC 64 64 - 46 46 46 46 3C 3C 3C 3C
00 00 00 00 AA 60 6A 05 - 05 36 1C 80 90 20 20 20
20 20 20 20 20 30 30 30 - 30 70 00 70 00 70 00 70
00 68 00 68 00 68 00 68 - 00 68 00 68 00 68 00 68
00 90 90 C0 C0 C0 00 00
--- Trailer ---
Disc Manufacturer ID: 54 44 4B 42 4C 44 h <TDKBLD>
Media Type ID: 52 46 42 <RFB>
Time Stamp [m:y]: 0 : 0000 (00 00 h)
Product Revision Number: 0

12:39:18 #19 SPTI -1066 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 225
CdRom2: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1066)
CDB Data: 0xAC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 64 00 00
Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
Sense Code: 0x24
Sense Qual: 0x00
Sense Area: 0x70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0E 00 00 00 00 24
Buffer x08b24880: Len x648

12:39:18 #20 Text 0 File BD.cpp, Line 416
Allocated spare area size on disc ca0000h
BD: Start write address at LBA 0, Recording mode: unknown Recording Mode (0),
spare area allocation: default (no action) (0), Stream recording: NO (0); return code 0

12:39:18 #21 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 275
Pipe memory size 83836800

13:26:45 #22 SPTI -1135 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 225
CdRom2: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1135)
CDB Data: 0x2A 00 00 BA 77 40 00 00 20 00 00 00
Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
Sense Code: 0x0C
Sense Qual: 0x00
Sense Area: 0x70 00 03 00 BA 74 00 0E 00 00 00 00 0C
Buffer x145ad3c0: Len x10000
0x4F 74 C9 6A C2 F3 6B E6 81 CA 7A 4D F4 7A A2 21
0xC2 E2 EB 79 35 5B 67 FF 0E 9D 7C 15 76 7F C7 8F
0xCF 0F A3 EF 6C 23 84 25 21 46 02 EC 4C 74 89 2A

13:26:45 #23 TRANSFER -20 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 1235
Could not perform Write

13:26:45 #24 CDR -1135 File Writer.cpp, Line 340
Write error
F: ASUS BW-12D1S-U

13:26:51 #25 SPTI -1047 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 225
CdRom2: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1047)
CDB Data: 0x5B 01 01 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00
Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
Sense Code: 0x64
Sense Qual: 0x00
Sense Area: 0x70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0E 00 00 00 00 64

13:26:51 #26 CDR -1047 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 316
Illegal mode for this track
F: ASUS BW-12D1S-U

13:26:51 #27 TRANSFER -24 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 1235
Could not perform end of Disc-at-once

13:26:51 #28 Text 0 File DVDPlusDualLayer.cpp, Line 1464
SetDriveCaps: Set LAST LBA of layer 1 to 0

13:26:52 #29 PHASE 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 2066
Burn process failed at 2x (8,990 KB/s)

13:27:22 #30 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 454
SPTIDismountVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_DISMOUNT_VOLUME

13:27:22 #31 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 12266
DriveLocker: UnLockVolume completed

13:27:22 #32 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 617
UnLockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL

 

[Adbear]

Did you try using Imgburn instead?

 

[Ch3vr0n]

3D movies usually fill the BD50 to the edge in most cases, and that's exactly the area where nero has problems. The edge of a disc. The closer you get to the other edge of a disc, the easier it gets to get errors. If you're not sure, you could pick yourself up a BD50 BD-RE at least that way when it errors out you havent lost a disc

 

[Kerry56]

If you are going to the trouble of ordering discs from Japan, you really should be getting Panasonic 50gb discs.

And burn BD media with ImgBurn.

 

[Chrisn01]

If you are going to the trouble of ordering discs from Japan, you really should be getting Panasonic 50gb discs.

And burn BD media with ImgBurn.

Hey, thanks for the reply guys, well after the first three disc failures on Nero, I used Image Burn which also failed and always happens towards the end of the burn. Been using the Vertbatims from 'Play Japan' as there only £15 delivered for ten 50GB 4x Discs and were fine up until now. Single Layer discs still burn perfectly, just seems to be the DL ones of late. The only change iv made since the failures started was upgrading my computer to SSD and Windows Updates. Perhaps where the discs have been sitting in my draw past 8-9 weeks, something has happened to them. Ill buy some new ones, any suggestions?

 

[Frumpalumpoulus]

I am not sure if I have the exact same model of disc as you, but they are Verbatim BD-R DL 4x and the spindle's label was in Japanese. The discs are labeled all white for inkjet printing (I just use a Sharpie).

What I found is that burning at 4x would either error out, or would succeed but the video would have artifacts or missing sound. Burning at 2x solved these problems for me with this media. It takes longer, but I have yet to burn a coaster.

 

[fast eddie]

If you are having trouble burning blank disks at the vendors advertised rating of the blank disk, then it is time to change the vendor on the blank disks or the vendor they sub-contract out to.

Imgburn can identify the true brand of the blank disk no matter what the blank disk claims to be.

From my viewpoint, it is a corrupt/dishonest company that advertises 6X burn rate on their blank disks and you have problems burning at 6X with a good software program like Imgburn.

 

[Ch3vr0n]

Well the main question here that nobody asked is what is the disc media ID aka MID?

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[Chrisn01]

MId

Well the main question here that nobody asked is what is the disc media ID aka MID?

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Hiya

Sorry for the delay in reply, well have just checked and the DiscID is as follows: TDKBLD-RFB-000

Thanks Mate

 

[Ch3vr0n]

If they sold those to you under the verbatim label return them, they're fake. It's TDK brand and a crappy one to boot.

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[Crower]

I too would surmise that you're having writing failures because of the higher write rate toward the end of the disc writing cycle. I think at least some BD writer manufactures have adopted an algorithm of spinning the disk at nearly a constant rate while writing, which translates to a higher linear velocity at the outside edge (which is written last - disk written from inside track to outside). My own writer starts at about X2.5, gradually ramping up, and finishing at or near X6.

I've been buying disks advertised as Verbatim from this link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Verbatim-Blank-Blu-ray-Discs-50GB-BD-R-DL-4x-bluray-/300785928887

and haven't had a failure yet. I think their price might be comparable to what you've been paying.

Although these are advertised as Verbatim, I have no way of verifying the claim and have to trust the seller because they are repackaged. The disk info is "MEI-T02-001" for those gurus out there who know how to interpret it. All I know is that they've been working for me quite well to present with no burn errors (I verify all my burn cycles) using ImgBurn.

 

[Ch3vr0n]

You're lucky to not have a failure yet, they're fake. Genuine verbatim bd-r's don't use that MID. real ones use VERBAT-IMx-xx. Replace x with letter/digit, for example. Inkjet printable 6x use VERBAT-IMe-00

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[Crower]

You're lucky to not have a failure yet, they're fake. Genuine verbatim bd-r's don't use that MID. real ones use VERBAT-IMx-xx. Replace x with letter/digit, for example. Inkjet printable 6x use VERBAT-IMe-00

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Yes, I have some of those too (with the VERBAT prefix). My understanding is that the eBay disks are made in Japan for Verbatim by Mitsubishi Kagaku (which makes other brands as well), hence the MEI prefix. I'll look into this further, but in any case, I've used a lot of these with nary a bad one (knock on wood). I also noticed they are labeled around the rim in silver with "Verbatim BD-R DL for VIDEO 50GB 4X". Not that I wouldn't expect that from a good bootlegger, but it gives me a little more confidence that they are indeed Verbatims.

 

[Ch3vr0n]

The Mitsubishi mid is MKM-003-00 and is for double layer DVD's , not for bd's AFAIK. For DVD SL is mcc-004-00

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[Crower]

In checking with the supplier, the explanation was that in Japan only one company makes Verbatim BD-R DL media, and that's the company whose code is coming up for the disk ID. Verbatim doesn't make their own disks and farms out the manufacture depending on where they're marketed. In most countries (and probably the US), the source is Taiwan or China, but in Japan, this is the source for the Verbatim brand and they are manufactured in Japan (who personally, I would generally trust over Taiwan or China).

Take that for what it is, but I'll be sticking with this source until I have trouble with the disks themselves. Next trip to Japan, I'll check it out for myself and report back. If I have any disk trouble in the future (with these disks), I'll report it here.

I'm not doubting your word (these could still be bogus - but fairly good bogus). I do appreciate your input.

EDIT:

Mystery solved: The MEI code which comes up for these disks, belongs to Panasonic (Matsushita) who makes the Japanese version of Verbatim disks. The code MEI-T02-001 reflects second generation disks which can record at higher speeds than the older T01 versions. So in fact, these are Panasonic disks (with a Verbatim label) which have a relatively good reputation elsewhere.

https://www.blu-raydisc.info/licensee-list/discmanuid-licenseelist.php