PAL to NTSC conversion software

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Dazed, Mar 18, 2018.

  1. Ch3vr0n

    Ch3vr0n Translator NL & Mod

    AnyDVD will remove the region and software players don't care about pal/ntsc, hardware ones do.

    If you want to play it on a US standalone player chances are high you would need to convert it yes, but that will most likely cause you to lose all original menu's.

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    Last edited: Apr 14, 2018
  2. mmdavis

    mmdavis Well-Known Member

    A third option is to get a PAL/NTSC DVD player as shown in post #4.
  3. DrXenos

    DrXenos Well-Known Member

    I see several copies of the Region 1 Widescreen version of this movie for sale on Amazon for less than $25.
  4. testiles

    testiles Well-Known Member

    Ok, thanks Ch3vron.

    Lose the menus? Uggh.

    But it may be enough to just watch it on the computer.

    I had looked at that earlier and I am considering it. In fact, I put that player on my Amazon Wishlist.

    Just want to broaden the base of DVDs I can play.

    Because I noticed on Amazon there are often very good deals for hard-to-find movies I'm interested in but they're in another region and in PAL format.

    Thanks, mmdavis.

    Thanks for the tip Dr Xenos.

    With shipping, these DVD's are about $30. The Region 2 one is under $20 including shipping.

    If I want to play Stepford on my DVD player and this title was the only Region 2 title I'm interested in, it would be cheaper to go this route, agreed.

    But if I really want to be able to buy and play any DVD in general, no matter what format, getting the DVD player mmdavis mentions may be the way to go.

    Or even VSO's DVD Converter. But it loses the menu?????

    Last edited: Apr 14, 2018
  5. Ch3vr0n

    Ch3vr0n Translator NL & Mod

    It'll lose the original menu probably yes, but may be able to import the artwork. I don't know, you can always trial it. I can't test for myself, as i live in a PAL region and don't have such problem. Our players play both NTSC and PAL by default.
  6. testiles

    testiles Well-Known Member

    You guys are so lucky.

    Yeah, I'll give DVD Converter a try then and see if it works for me.

    I'll check out the menu situation and let you know.

  7. DrXenos

    DrXenos Well-Known Member

    I think I'd pay the extra $10 just to get the region 1 version. Besides being less of a pain, since it's the region you're already in, I much prefer NTSC. PAL may have slightly better resolution and color, but I can't stand the 4% speed up.

  8. testiles

    testiles Well-Known Member

    Dude. Are you saying in PAL the same movie will play visibly faster?
  9. DrXenos

    DrXenos Well-Known Member

    If the source matter isn't already 25fps, then yes, by 4%. Some people don't even notice. Some notice the higher pitch of the audio. I don't. I'm a little hard of hearing, but I really notice the video.
  10. testiles

    testiles Well-Known Member

    Ah, I see. Because here the standard is 24 fps.

    I'd be interested to check that for myself, see if I hear or see the difference. I'll do some tests.

    But that could be a show-stopper for me.

    Again, though, it only comes into play if I make a disc to play on my DVD player, not if I just watch on computer.

    Thanks for mentioning that.

  11. DrXenos

    DrXenos Well-Known Member

    If it's a PAL encoding of a 24fps film, it's going have a 4% speed-up regardless of how you play it.
  12. testiles

    testiles Well-Known Member

    Oh wow.

    There's a wealth of information here about what the problem is and what you can do about it.

    Sure appreciate it Marty.

    I just listened to the comparison audio clips here and I have to admit I don't find the audio speed-up enough to be objectionable. Kind of reminds me of when I used to DJ in the old days and crank-up the pitch for the songs I played (lol).

    However, if I go the PAL route for these DVDs, I will use Reclock.

    Very glad a solution is available.

    Dr Xenos, I thought at the time that the issue came into play when you convert from PAL to NTSC.

    It was unthinkable to me that the actual PAL disc was like this and that half the world watches sped-up versions of movies made here.

    I just wonder why there is no correction for this when the PAL DVDs are created. Doesn't ReClock prove it can be done?

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  13. DrXenos

    DrXenos Well-Known Member

    I have no idea what you're asking me. I never said the timing couldn't be changed, if that's what you mean. Of course, ReClock will change the timing. My point was just playing it on a PC vs. a DVD player won't magically fix the timing.

    What do you mean "no fix when PAL DVDs are created"? PAL DVDs are changed to 25fps on purpose, because the video timing in the region is 50 fps (because AC over there is 50 HZ).

    We have our own nastiness in NTSC. The 24fps are slowed to 23.976, and then telecined, which is why panning shots look jumpy.

    Anyways, all that stuff will (hopefully) go away with blu-ray. Blu-ray can encode and play the movie in its original fps.

    Last edited: Apr 17, 2018
  14. testiles

    testiles Well-Known Member

    Yes, I understood that.

    I was just explaining that when someone mentioned the speed-up, I thought they meant it was a result of using DVD Converter to change PAL to NTSC, not that the speed-up was actually on the PAL disc itself.

    Actually that was a rhetorical question.

    I was wondering why when the studios create the PAL discs at 50 HZ, they don't do some magic to revert the pitch to back to normal.

    Of course, if it's not an issue with Blu Ray, I'm sure there's no incentive for them to improve the DVD PAL process at this point.

  15. DrXenos

    DrXenos Well-Known Member

    Sometime they do fix the pitch, but the audio and video are still running 4% too fast.
  16. theosch

    theosch Well-Known Member

    Yes he's correct.

    Yeah, had same issue with Star Trek DS9 and Voyager DVDs (Europe). The original film material was filmed in NTSC, unfortunately the film matrial on those Europeen versions of those DVDs-ROMs has been gone through a NTSC-to-PAL conversion.

    The conversed PAL version appears (a very little bit) worse than the transcoded film (xvid) from original NTSC-version.
    I also bought the PAL-version as it has some Europeen languages. NTSC-version is only in English.

    mplayer.exe -speed 960/1001 -fps 24000/1001

    -speed 960/1001 is the PAL-To-NTSC-Speeddown-factor
    -fps 24000/1001 is the NTSC framerate

    When setting this option it plays with correct original NTSC-speed +correct framerate (in this case) and the audio height frequency went back to lower normal valual,
    sounds the same when comparing it to an NTSC version of same episode :) Still didn't have to change any monitor refresh rate.

    The time display of duration still shows the shorter PAL film length, but the time second intervals in the time-display are actually moving slower, as if doubled (a very little bit)

    This should also work:
    mplayer.exe -speed 0.95904095904095904095904095904096 -fps 23.976023976023976023976023976024
    But writing as ratio perhaps gives as much accurate result as possible (or just for easier writing than that long numbers)

    PAL Speed =>25 fps
    NTSC Speed=>23.976023976023976023976023976024 fps =>24 fps *1000/1001 => 24000fps/1001

    NTSC-to-PAL-Speedup (PAL-Speed-result) = NTSC-Speed * (NTSC-to-PAL-Speedup-factor)

    = PAL-Speed / NTSC-Speed
    =>25fps / (24fps *1000/1001)
    =>25 *1001 /(24 *1000)
    =>25 *1001 /24 /1000
    =>[25 *1001 *1/24 *1/1000]

    NTSC-to-PAL-Speedup (PAL-Speedup-conversion-result):
    = NTSC-Speed * [NTSC-to-PAL-Speedup-factor]
    =>(24 fps *1000/1001) * [25 *1001 *1/24 *1/1000]
    =>24 fps/24 *25 *1000/1000 *1001/1001
    =>1 fps *25 *1000/1000 *1001/1001
    => 1 fps *25 *1 *1


    =>PAL-Speed / [NTSC-to-PAL-Speedup-factor]
    =>25fps / [25fps *1001 *1/24 *1/1000]
    =>(25 fps/25) *24 *1000/1001
    =>1 fps *24 *1000/1001
    =>24fps *1000/1001
    =>24000fps /1001
    =>23.976023976023976023976023976024 fps

    (Or other "way" for PAL-to-NTSC-Speeddown):
    (PAL-Speed * PAL-to-NTSC-Speeddown-Factor)

    = NTSC-Speed / PAL-Speed
    =>(24fps *1000 /1001) /25fps
    =>24 *1000 / (1001*25)
    =>24 *1000/ 25025
    =>24000 / 25025

    =>24 *1000 / (1001*25)
    =>24 *1000/25 *(1/1001)
    =>24 *40 /1001
    =>960 /1001

    PAL-to-NTSC-Speeddown ("a bit other" method):
    =>PAL-Speed * PAL-to-NTSC-Speeddown-Factor)
    =>[(24* fps *1000 /1001) /25fps] *25fps
    =>24 fps *1000 /(1001*25)
    =>24000fps / 25025
    =>23.976023976023976023976023976024 fps


    (PAL speedup-factor compared to lower NTSC)
    => 25fps / (24fps*1000/1001)
    => 25*1001/(24*1000)
    => 25 *1001 *1/24 *1/1000
    => 25/24 *(1001/1000)
    => 1.0427083333333333333333333333333 speed up factor

    (1.0427083333333333333333333333333 -1) * 100%
    =0.0427083333333333333333333333333 *100%
    =>PAL 4.27083333333333333333333333333% faster than NTSC

    and NTSC is 1 - (1 / 1.0427083333333333333333333333333) slower than PAL
    => 1 - 0.95904095904095904095904095904096
    => 0.04095904095904095904095904095904
    => 0.04095904095904095904095904095904 *100%
    => 4.095904095904095904095904095904%
    => 4.095904095904095904095904095904% slower
    Last edited: May 16, 2018