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Maybe you should not upgrade to Vista

Discussion in 'Third Party Products' started by James, Feb 10, 2007.

  1. Charlie

    Charlie Well-Known Member

    Yes I have the NVIDIA 8500 or 8600 GT can't really remember and can't find the official DX10 either.
     
  2. DrinkLyeAndDie

    DrinkLyeAndDie Retired Moderator

    Definitely irritating and I would likely be cursing endlessly under my breath but as is noted in the article...

    While this situation is ridiculous it shouldn't be earth shattering. Now, I'm saying that having not spent an insane amount of money on a video card so I can't fully relate to those who had.

    As it stands DX10 already put developers in an odd situation. The majority of people stil run XP and will for quite a few years, IMO. Vista adoption is happening and will continue to but developers have to remember that DX10 [supposedly] will never work under XP so they'll lose a lot of gamers if DX9 isn't supported in their games and if only a limited group of people have Vista and a DX10 supporting card... can they really justify the work? Now take that one step further. They know people dropped a load of money on DX10 video cards and now along comes DX10.1. Any developer who actually screws those people that bought those DX10 cards will, IMO, have to deal with one seriously ugly backlash.
     
  3. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Yeah, I'm not sure (or rather, I doubt) that article was written by a true pc gamer, because I did notice a couple of (paper) improvements that seem appealing--notably shader model 4.1 and "the ability to render to block-compressed textures".

    visit http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/in...sk=view&id=103&Itemid=29&limit=1&limitstart=2

    from http://news.softpedia.com/news/Forg...0-1-Preview-for-Windows-Vista-SP1-61398.shtml

    "Microsoft estimates that in excess of 10 million gamers have upgraded to Windows Vista just to reek in the benefits of DirectX 10. The latest statistics from Redmond reveal that Vista sold over 60 million licenses from January 30. "

    Presuming those are 10 million PC gamers that bought directx 10 cards, I should hope that also equals 10 million annoyed PC Gamers.
     
  4. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    I mean, really, we've only see less than a handful of directx 10 games released (and, so far, they received less than stellar reviews irrc)--and already we're having 10.1 thrust upon us.

    If you need to buy a new computer right now and your primary focus is PC gaming . . . well, this is a bad situation to be in atm. :(

    Gaming developers certainly won't abandon directx 10 card owners, but I suspect most people didn't shell out big bucks thinking they'd have to make another big upgrade so quickly.
     
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  5. DetroitBaseball

    DetroitBaseball Well-Known Member

    DX10 can work on XP.
     
  6. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Possibly, but I'm not sure how well it works under xp with respect to Vista--nor am I sure about 10.1.
    Obviously, directx10 and 10.1 will likely be better supported under Vista.
     
  7. DetroitBaseball

    DetroitBaseball Well-Known Member

    There is DX 10.1?
     
  8. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Announced, yes . . .

    Read from post 80 onwards
     
  9. DetroitBaseball

    DetroitBaseball Well-Known Member

    I thought there weren't many DX10 video cards out yet and they are already making going to 10.1.
     
  10. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Lots of Directx 10 supported video cards are out. 10.1 cards likely won't be released until very late this year or in 2008 (according to rumours I'm reading about ATI, but I'm not sure about Nvidia).
     
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  11. DetroitBaseball

    DetroitBaseball Well-Known Member

    How can I check to see if my card inside my laptop that came with Vista fully supports DX10?
     
  12. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    I would just go by the model number of the card. The GeForce 8 Series of GPUs (so 8600, 8800, etc.) are Directx 10 cards. So are ATI's radeon HD 2900 and 2600 series, I believe.

    There's probably a list of directx 10 cards somewhere, but I'm afraid I'm a little busy at the moment to search. I'm agonizing over whether I should build a system now or wait.
     
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  13. DetroitBaseball

    DetroitBaseball Well-Known Member

    I doubt it then since it's the Intel GMA950. I'm not a gamer much so it's ok.
     
  14. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Yeah, that doesn't support directx 10.
     
  15. DetroitBaseball

    DetroitBaseball Well-Known Member

    I've never had a great graphics cards, but I got a steal on this laptop for $480 so it's all good.
     
  16. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    And....you expected more from MS?! Console gaming rocks, btw. Especially with kb/m support now being added to some games.

    P.S. Find me anyone including devs that care about DX10...good luck.
     
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  17. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Until I can add a Logitech G15 keyboard and a Razer Deathadder mouse and play NWN2 (or offering anything as deep as a game that lets me create other games), count me out (and until the games stop catering to people who don't want to read, but that's another conversation).

    Dragon Age will also be PC only.


    Ever hear of a little something called Bioshock (the 360 version will be pretty close to the PC version, but the PC version will have some nicer Directx10 features)? How about Max Payne? Crysis (not that I'm going to buy it)?

    I think they do care; otherwise, they wouldn't be developing games with directx 10 improvements:
    http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=77741
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2007
  18. DrinkLyeAndDie

    DrinkLyeAndDie Retired Moderator

    Here is another story I love to see: Gabe Newell: DirectX 10 for Vista was a mistake

    To read the whole story follow the link at the beginning of the post.
     
  19. DetroitBaseball

    DetroitBaseball Well-Known Member

    They were so money hungry to try to get people to upgrade to Vista for DX 10.
     
  20. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    Yea, I saw that. I LMAO. DX10 is a joke. I'll stick to my consoles. (Man I can't wait for UT3 to be released!!!) At least Webslinger can relax now knowing that he WON'T need new hardware for DX10.1. :)