Lots of errors in output?

Discussion in 'AnyDVD HD (Blu-ray issues)' started by alanisrox69, Mar 25, 2007.

  1. alanisrox69

    alanisrox69 Active Member

    Using the latest AnyDVD HD, the output of a HD-DVD has lots and lots of errors.

    I tried 6.1.3.1 and .2 ....

    both have the same result.

    The disc is minimally scratched...this happens on almost every HD-DVD that is backed up.

    I am using a Xbox external drive. The backups are going to another USB hard drive.

    The most recent movies that I have had this problem on are:
    -Poseidon
    -The Rundown
    -The Mummy 1 and 2

    the list goes on and on...

    almost every backup has video/audio glitches.

    Playing the discs back straightforward in Pdvd (AnyDVDHD turned off) no errors....

    The errors seem to happen randomly...ie, if I rerip the disc, different errors.

    Anyone else experiencing this?
     
  2. roog

    roog Well-Known Member

    Please post your system info. Here's mine.

    Windows Vista 32 w/all subsequent updates.
    AnyDVD HD 6.1.3.3
    PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 (build 2605)
    ATI Catalyst 7-2_vista32_dd_ccc_enu_42852

    Intel D975XBX motherboard
    Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 processor
    2 GB Corsair XMS2 (PC2 6400) memory
    ATI X1950XTX 512MB video card
    Western Digital Raptor X 150GB hard drive (SATA)
    Western Digital 500 GB hard drive (SATA) x 2
    Lite-On LH-2B1S Blu-ray Disc Triple Writer (SATA)
    XBox 360 HD DVD drive (usb)
     
  3. alanisrox69

    alanisrox69 Active Member

    Okay, here's mine...

    Windows XP Sp2 w/ all updates.
    AnyDVD HD 6.1.3.3
    PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 Legitimate (not warez)
    ATI Driver Version: 8.342.0.0

    Ripping machine:
    HP ZD8205US Laptop
    P4 2.8ghz
    2gb RAM
    ATI X600 128mb video card
    Toshiba 120gb 7200rpm HDD
    XBox 360 HD DVD drive (usb)

    Playback machine:
    Sony Vaio AR270G BluRay Edition
    Core2Duo T7600
    1gb ram
    Nvidia 7600GT 256mb video
    80gb x 2 SATA 7200rpm HDDs

    The errors happen on both machines during playback. the ripping machine does not play back HDDVD smoothly (not enough processing power), but you can still see the glitches clearly and hear the audio glitches as that plays smooth.

    I didn't try ripping on the Sony yet, only because I don't want to taint the computer....it has a perfect working version of WinDVD BD installed (for the BD drive)...and I don't want to screw that up...not saying that AnyDVD will, but I'm just being cautious with my new $2800 hardware :X

    Thanks...
     
  4. roog

    roog Well-Known Member

    Are you able to play Blu-ray movies on your Sony without problems?

    You really should install AnyDVD HD on your Vaio and then try to rip and play your HD DVDs.

    I've been using Slysoft products since they took over from Elby and have never had an instance where a system has been corrupted.
     
  5. alanisrox69

    alanisrox69 Active Member

    Yeah, I can play them fine...

    Also, a user on another forum has mentioned he ripped a BD movie with AnyDVD and there are errors in it (from an M2R log)...ripped the same movie/disc with BackupBluRay using a Key and M2R log is clean...

    I guess I'll have to breakdown and test it on the Vaio if this isn't a widespread problem....anyone else?
     
  6. roog

    roog Well-Known Member

    Let us know what happens if you do.
     
  7. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator


    Try ripping to a non-external harddrive, and see what happens.
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2007
  8. Peer

    Peer Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    We also checked that one. We got no errors whatsoever from the exact same tools - except for a few errors reported on dual-layer discs around layer break. But this issue has already been addressed by v6.1.3.3 (or even 6.1.3.2. I'm not sure).
    So fow now, I'm pretty sure, there is no general problem with rips from AnyDVD HD.
     
  9. alanisrox69

    alanisrox69 Active Member

    It seems 6.1.3.3 has no issues ripping HD-DVDs on the new Sony Vaio. The rips came out glitch free.

    However, Blu-Ray is another issue.

    I ripped "Crank" using your software and it had so many glitches, it made it unwatchable. I deleted it. Re-ripped it, and the same exact glitches were there.

    Closed AnyDVD. I then used BackupBluRay to back up the m2ts files. Reopened AnyDVD to copy over the Menu files. Played it, and it was glitch-free.

    So there is definately a problem with ripping Blu-Ray. I would say there is a problem ripping HD-DVD as well, as it seems you need the "right" hardware to get a glitch-free rip. What the "right" hardware is, I am not sure, various other people have reported glitchy rips with AnyDVD. It could be my dinosaur HP laptop, as the new Sony rips HD-DVD perfect, but this shouldn't be the case, you are simply copying data bit-for-bit (or what should be bit-for-bit).

    Perhaps you can include a bit-for-bit system in an upcoming version or something?

    There obviously is a problem.

    However, thanks to your software, I can backup Blu-Rays with BackupBluRay and use your software for the Menus!

    -Derek-
     
  10. alanisrox69

    alanisrox69 Active Member

    No comments on this?

    -Derek-
     
  11. roog

    roog Well-Known Member

    I believe you! It sounds like a tough one.

    Have you tried to rip any other Blu-ray movies on your Vaio?

    After searching, it looks like your Vaio is a notebook. Is this correct? I've used a similar configuration on an HP notebook it has worked fine so far with both Blu-ray and HD DVD, but not with this particular movie.

    If you haven't done so already, update your bios, OS, drivers, etc. and keep trying. Let us know what happens and we'll try to help.

    Keep in mind that you may have to reinstall everything from scratch if things go awry.
     
  12. Peer

    Peer Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    I just ripped Crank (Region A) with AnyDVD and watched the first 15 minutes - nothing unusual, looks perfect to me.
    How did you rip? Did you use AnyDVDs rip-option in the menu or did you copy through Explorer/xcopy/...? (both should work the same)
    And in any case: does doing it the other way make a change?

    There is no reason I can think of, why the ripping process should produce different results depending on the hardware. It's just about reading sectors one by one and decrypting them.
     
  13. alanisrox69

    alanisrox69 Active Member

    I ripped Gone In 60 Seconds BD with AnyDVD and it while it only had a few glitches, STILL glitches (not nearly as many as Crank did).

    Ripped using BackupBluRay and 100% glitch free.

    Also, I always use Copy and Paste method via Explorer...

    perhaps I need to use the button in AnyDVD?

    Anyways, glitches happen on a lot of systems (not just mine) on HD-DVDs and forums all over and posts to usenet (of ripped movies) have glitches when they shouldn't.

    Just my 2cents.
     
  14. Peer

    Peer Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    Yep. That's what it's there for.

    Some explanation here to what is crossing my mind right now:

    decryption of Bluray requires that data is decrypted in the correct order (from left to right, so to say).

    Backupbluray has a very simple job to do: open a file, read it from beginning to end and subsequently decrypt data.

    AnyDVD works a lot on driver level and only "sees" one sector at a time.
    The builtin ripper reads directly from the disc and ensures a correct sequence of read requests.

    When you use Explorer, I can imagine, that some foolish intermediate drivers (even the windows cache) might think it is funny to first read sector 3, then 1, then 2. This would garble the result, because decryption of sector 3 depends on the result of the decryption of sector 2.
    This is no typical effect, because I can rip with Explorer as well without a problem, but it's the best explanation I can find at the moment.
    And I would also expect that all those having problem with these glitches have in common, that they are using explorer to rip.
    BTW: it only has drawbacks to do so. If you rip using the explorer (or Backupbluray as well), your filecache will flood your memory and swap out pretty much all processes, which you will already have noticed - after the rip is done, you will have this well-known feeling that windows seems to be running directly from HDD for a while :( .
    The AnyDVD ripper bypasses the windows file cache (as it makes no sense in this case anyway).

    So this is no issue for the AnyDVD ripper, nor for a Bluray player software like PowerDVD, because the latter also enforces a correct read sequence: they both don't use the filesystem, they access the drive directly.

    So, yes, please try a rip with the AnyDVD ripper and let me know the result.
     
  15. SuperGoof

    SuperGoof Well-Known Member

    Hi Peer,

    I have some questions and some suggestions:

    1) What software do you have installed so you can see files on blu-ray disc in Explorer? Or maybe you use Vista, which has built-in UDF 2.5 drivers?

    2) Can problems described in this thread be related to my observations when I doing binary file comparisons here?

    3) Can you please test these issues on XP with Roxio EMC 9 installed?

    4) My opinion is that AnyDVD should somehow handle possible IO issues you described here (if they exist at all, of course).

    5) If it cannot handle them for some fundamental reasons, and the only way to get an 'ideal' rip is to use AnyDVD ripper, can you please change it so it sets original datetimes on the ripped files?

    Thanks.
     
  16. SuperGoof

    SuperGoof Well-Known Member

    WOW! You just released AnyDVD 6.1.3.5!

    It it related to what we are discussing in this thread?
     
  17. guile

    guile Well-Known Member

    I also had some issues (in the past) and feel they were in fact due to copying with explorer. Although I still get occasional glitches with Blu Ray, I think it is attributed to the player. I would rewind and play back and the glitch would disappear. I haven't run mpegrepair for problem logs though. Probably because it's been so minimal and I don't feel the need to waste so much time. Try the latest release (6.1.3.5) as well.

    History
    6.1.3.5 2007 04 10
    - New (Blu-ray): Improved removal of region code
    - New: Workaround for compatibility problems with 3rd party drivers
    - Some minor fixes and improvements
    - Updated languages

    The underlined might help you. Nice to see ya hear brother:)

    g
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2007
  18. bachuka

    bachuka Well-Known Member

    i dont think you laptop cpu or graphics card can handle hd playback, if you have a stronger desktop system, try it there....check out this article for more info. I'd recommend a system at least at e6600 core 2 duo with at least a 7950gt

    http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2886
     
  19. SuperGoof

    SuperGoof Well-Known Member

    Peer,

    I'm sorry to tell you this but now I'm 100% sure that some IO problems DO exist after all.

    This time I was comparing .m2ts files produced by AnyDVD HD ripper with those copied to the hard drive directly using Windows Explorer. And they are DIFFERENT on my machine. Not completely different thought, but they contain different regions, notably the region between 0x20000 and 0x21000, but not limited to this one.

    On the other hand, files created by AnyDVD HD ripper are identical to those created by BackupBluRay, except that BackupBluRay's files usually have several kilobytes of extra data (presumably garbage) at the end.

    This apply to all BDs I tested, including popular titles like "5th Element" and "Casino Royale". I was using the latest version of AnyDVD HD (6.1.3.6).

    Referring to your above explanations of possible reasons for this (about non-sequential access to disc sectors), I have two additional questions to you:

    1) Does this possible source of the problem only apply to BDs or to normal DVDs as well? Should I prefer using DVD ripper when copying DVDs to hard drive instead of copying them directly in Windows Explorer?

    2) If at the time AnyDVD HD ripper is working some other program accesses the disc (for example, I open Explorer and browse the disc, or even start playing the disc or some files on it), can this also influence the output of AnyDVD HD ripper? Is it 100% reliable and will always produce the same files no matter what I do with the disc?

    Thanks.
     
  20. Peer

    Peer Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    Let's keep it simple: use AnyDVD ripper and everything is fine.
    About your concern with any other app accessing the drive while ripping: won't happen, ripper locks the drive for just that reason.