How to Handle Forced Subtitles?

Discussion in 'CloneBD' started by Homeworld, May 27, 2016.

  1. Homeworld

    Homeworld Well-Known Member

    This is simple but difficult. I have a bunch of movies that have forced subtitle tracks. I would like to keep the main subtitles in my movies too. The subtitles that display things like alien speech and foreign languages in English movies.

    I mainly play my movies on the Raspberry Pi 3 in Kodi but like to watch them on PC too, I keep the main H.264 but convert the audio. Sometimes though I really have trouble with the forced subtitles on their own too.

    Please tell me how you like to handle the subtitles in your CloneBD converted movies or how I should handle this myself because CloneBD doesn't seem to do the job. Thank You.
     
    Last edited: May 30, 2016
  2. nebostrangla

    nebostrangla Well-Known Member

    What Ive found is there is usually two English subtitles the main one which is all dialogue of the movie and a second one all the way on the bottom that's the forced usually if you want them hardcoded in then in the individual title settings there should be a small white box like a note pad Txt icon if you click on that it will appear means hardcoded and disappeared but still has check means selectable only for that subtitle. The best way to figure out what you need for each movie is to play it in the preview player and adjust settings for your desired results and then carry those over to processing.
     
  3. Adbear

    Adbear Well-Known Member

    I don't see this in CloneBD. The only time I see the 'notepad' icon is in the playback section, and that just means it's the selected subtitle to be played back in the player window, once you come out of there it's just added as a normal subtitle, so I can have either all selectable or all burnt in subtitles, but not both.
    It's something some of us have been requesting for a while as I like to burn in the foreign language parts and keep English subtitles as an option, but I don't see any way to do that in CloneBD which is why I still use Handbrake for films that have foreign language parts.

    What you can now do though is set which subtitle is the default one, so if you have 2 subtitle tracks and one is the foreign language 'forced' subtitle track you can set it to default to that one instead of the main language.
     
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2016
  4. Pete

    Pete Forum Admin Staff Member

    From what I picked up from the "Elby labs": with 1.0.8.3 they fixed the majority of the problems off the todo list now and they will begin to add several user requests one by one starting now.
    Some isolated problems with specific discs aside, the engine is "clean" now.

    Some of the items to come:
    • Forced subs
    • 3D-BD copy
    • fixes and enhancements to the preview player
     
  5. Adbear

    Adbear Well-Known Member

    Would be nice to have an option for MKV's that allows to hardcode the forced subs whilst retaining selectable subtitles for the rest
     
  6. ddjmagic

    ddjmagic Well-Known Member

    Nice, hopefully they can take a look at my old request thread again :D
    Please say an option to drop that menu completely is high on the to do list :sick:
     
  7. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    You know my thoughts on this. I want each subtitle scanned while being processed and a separate forced only subtitle track created for the forced subs found. That would be ideal.
     
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  8. paelzer

    paelzer New Member

    May I reanimate this topic?

    I don't get it. My BR-Player shows forced subtitles even when subtitles are turned off. So it's obvious that those subtitles are marked as forced.

    Why can't there be a box inside the place where you select the subtitle language that says 'use forced subtitles only' ???

    I'm not a programmer, I'm just a user. So could someone please explain me why they put this option into CloneBD, why it is so difficult or even impossible??

    Thanks :)
     
  9. Ch3vr0n

    Ch3vr0n Translator NL

    Because it's not that easy. There's at least 3 different ways forced subtitles can be created on a Blu-ray.

    Sent from my Nexus 6P with Tapatalk.
     
  10. paelzer

    paelzer New Member

    Hm. So why not start by offering the easiest way? That would be a beginning. Or is there no easy way?
     
  11. Adbear

    Adbear Well-Known Member

    They could offer a tick box that lets you decide which is the forced subtitle. At the moment when I make an MKV I then have to take it into MKVtoolnix and set the forced subtitle track in there
     
  12. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    Subs can be a pain on blu-ray. I still maintain that extracting forced subs into a separate sub track is ideal for MKV creation. The way lav filters handles it during playback makes that a great solution. Having the forced subs mixed in with a non-forced track is difficult for non-official players to handle. They can't know there are forced subs until the sub track is fully scanned so it becomes problematic. I do tend to agree that a check box to decide the forced sub track would be a quick and easy way to help people out for now.