High Def and BlueRay...

Discussion in 'AnyDVD HD (Blu-ray issues)' started by Ajax, Jan 28, 2007.

  1. stevelot

    stevelot Member

    Go for it, you will change history.

    What is a DVD burner realy good for without a DVD back up program. The same is true for HD DVD burners. I have a Toshiba HD DVD player that up-converts DVD's and I have watched both up-converted regular DVD's and HD DVD's of the same title and HD DVD is way way better. You will end the HD DVD vs Blue Ray war if you make it a reality to back up HD DVD diks. DVD back up programs sold millions of DVD burners and if you make backing up HD DVD's you will be the reason people buy the HD DVD burners as soon as they are available. Capacity of the disks is mute as long as the movie fits. There are better ways then Blue Ray or HD DVD disks to back up computer files.
  2. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

    So James When can we expect this new version of the AnyDvD implementation into HD...
  3. Fireball

    Fireball Member

    James, I certainly do hope that SlySoft do a Blu-Ray version of HD-AnyDVD.

    Blu-Ray is the natural choice of HD for computer users because of the much greater storage capacity. With 200 gigs of storage available to BD in the future it is a far more attractive option as a backup device - Discs are far more reliable than tape for example. It may not take off in terms of home players, but then home player users are not SlySoft's customers.

    BD is therefore the choice I have made currently. I built a new computer recently with a BD drive and bought a supposedly HD Ready Hitachi SX5600 projector only to find that its DVI input is not HDCP compliant and I therefore cannot watch HD movies unless I use an analogue cable which kind of defeats the object of HD despite the fact that Sony do not reduce the image quality on analogue - it does reduce slightly naturally and the signal drops off somewhat on a 10m cable run.

    From a business point of view, surely, supporting and selling HD-AnyDVD for both formats will give you more customers and therefore more revenue?

    Having said that I am staggered by Sony's apparent death-wish for their format. They seem to be making it as hard as they can to have their format accepted: They make it more exepensive, the make it region coded and they increase DRM. As corporate decisions go that has to be one of the most crass! :)
  4. Peer

    Peer Redfox Development Team Staff Member


    the reason for us to pick HD-DVD first (which does not mean "only") was basically an idealistic one.
    Personally, I'd like to see Blu-Ray drop dead and vanish (if there were another, less restrictive format than HD-DVD, I'd wish the same for HD-DVD) - despite the technological advantages you mentioned, which are undisputable.
    I'd like the idea of Sony learning, that tying up their customers, will make those simply not accept their product.
    Sadly, this is not the conclusion they will reach in the end - rather that marketing failed to make the format a success. But I can dream, can't I? :)

    As soon as we have AnyDVD/HD out and ready for sale, I will take a closer look at the Blu-Ray formats and requirements - especially at BD+, which will probably require some additional reverse engineering.
    After that, further decisions will be made.

    From a consumers point of view, we can only hope, that one of the formats drowns soon, because as long as both formats are out there competing, many (most?) titles will only be available in one of the two formats. Not being available to those, who chose the other format for their home entertainment...
    This whole HD-disc war is being fought out on your backs, guys, and sadly enough, you're also funding the money for it :(
  5. Charlie

    Charlie Well-Known Member

    I totally agree with this.:agree:
  6. Clams

    Clams Well-Known Member

    I totaly agree also. Reminds me also of the lesson Sony didn't learn in the VHS - Betamax shootout.

    Sony has been talking out of both sides of thier mouth for a long time now. They have been the most agressive about copy protection, yet they are one of the biggest producers of blank media and burners out there.

  7. Metrogirl

    Metrogirl New Member

    @ Peer - sound logic and I agree totally.

    I'd like to see Sony lose out on this too. Although Blu-Ray capacity is better (and on that basis alone I'd prefer it) I am frustrated by Sony's view that everyone is a potential criminal and we must be treated accordingly. Their iterations of ARcoSS, SCMS, BD+, the rootkit fiasco, hiding FBI warnings after the main menu, enforced trailers, encrypted drive firmware and hard-coded region restrictions in DVD players - these things all show disregard for what the consumer actually wants. I have to admit that their AV products are generally excellent quality, though.

    I'm excited by the prospect of an HD version of AnyDVD, and just as the Doom9 efforts appear to have prompted many members to by HD-DVD, I think that the availability of a product like AnyDVD-HD may be the boost the format needs to ensure its dominance. People will buy the format they can back up, not the one they can't.

    I think however that there is a significant risk in leaving Blu-Ray out of the AnyDVD stable for too long. Some studios support both formats and others could switch. If they perceive Blu-Ray as being more secure because it's not so easily ripped, they may choose that format exclusively for delivery.
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2007
  8. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    Sorry if this question was asked and answered already...I tried to read through all the posts to make sure and didn't see it. My question is regarding AnyDVD vs AnyDVD HD and whether they will be two separate products. What I mean by that is will we have 2 fox icons to contend with? Will AnyDVD HD be able to handle regular DVD's in addition to HD-DVD's? I would like to think that AnyDVD HD would be an upgraded product over and above the "basic" AnyDVD and that only one program would be needed to do both. I hope my question makes sense.

    Also, I'll throw in one more question just to really get you guys going(hi James! ;) )...will there be an updated CloneDVD HD in the works, as well, to handle encoding tasks of the new HD formats? I realize that even if you are considering such a thing it could be a LONG ways away. I'm more curious about whether you've even thought about such a thing. Obviously the CloneDVD HD would be able to rip trailers and other useless crap out of our backups and be able to write those backups to discs. (Wouldn't it be great if you could rip BluRay discs and then write them to HD-DVD's and vice versa(I guess...I'm not a BluRay fan...I'd rather rip those to HD-DVD's personally)? MUAHAHAHAHA)

    Anyway, congrats on the new forum. Congrats on the apparent upcoming success of AnyDVD HD. And I look forward to the beating I'm about to get for suggesting CloneDVD HD. :D
  9. DetroitBaseball

    DetroitBaseball Well-Known Member

    As far as your first question, I am under the assumption that AnyHD-DVD will only work with HD-DVDs. As far as the second question, I have heard nothing about CloneHD-DVD.
  10. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    That's why I'm asking. I would imagine it'd be a separate product, as well, but, if it can handle regular DVD's that'd be neat. If not, no big deal. It was more a curiosity than anything.

    Nor have I, hence the reason I brought it up. ;) If we want tools like that to exist, and I badly do, then we need to let Slysoft know there's a market and interest out there for it. I think that *IF* the following things happen they'd have a HUGE jump on any competition. IF they can add BluRay support(assuming it doesn't die off...latest statistics suggest that it's gaining steam in the market, unfortunately), then a CloneDVD HD program would be extremely beneficial in allowing people to convert their movies to the format of their choice while also editing the content to remove crap they don't want. That, IMO, would be one hell of an application if it could do all that! But the development time on something like that is pretty long. So if Slysoft hadn't even considered the idea yet, I was hoping my post would at least get the wheels turning a little. :)
  11. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    I just wanted to say I hope my questions don't get lost. If it's not something you want to answer, that's fine, too. I realize it's the weekend and you're probably taking time off which is perfectly fine...I just didn't want to lose the subject.
  12. DetroitBaseball

    DetroitBaseball Well-Known Member

    AACS has not actually been cracked. Muslix64 just found out how to extract the key from memory. Unless Slysoft uses this method, or makes one of their own, HD-DVDs cannot be copied.
  13. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    I'm not sure I follow what you're getting at, exactly. AnyDVD HD will be able to remove the encryption from HD-DVDs thus allowing them to be copied. What I want in addition to that is a tool like CloneDVD to allow me to work with the copied disc. I don't care HOW AnyDVD HD removes the encryption, the fact is, it will. Whether they do key extraction, howl at the moon, or have James speak a key into a microphone and translate it into binary at 3am, that's all irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. :D
  14. DetroitBaseball

    DetroitBaseball Well-Known Member

    AnyHD-DVD will not be able to remove the encryption unless it can crack AACS, which some think could take decades to crack such a tough algorithm. I heard initially AnyHD-DVD will only let you play HD-DVD movies on a non HDMI-compliant monitor.
  15. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    Uhhhhhh, WHAT? If it can't remove the encryption, then it's completely useless. :) They don't NEED to CRACK AACS to remove the encryption...they only need the keys. The algorithm is public knowledge, so, as long as they have the keys, they can use the algorithm to decrypt the contents of the disc. This is how BackupHDDVD works now. Slysoft has eluded to us several times that they are using a different method for retrieving the keys than BackupHDDVD, but, they are still able to decrypt the movie.
  16. DetroitBaseball

    DetroitBaseball Well-Known Member

    Removing the encryption would be cracking AACS. Bypassing the encryption would be doing what muslix64 did.
  17. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    What do you call it when you use the algorithm and a key to extract the decrypted content? Cause that's essentially what we're talking about.
  18. DetroitBaseball

    DetroitBaseball Well-Known Member

    Bypassing AACS.
  19. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    To my knowledge, that's what AnyDVD HD will do, as well. They are just using a different method for extracting the keys. In the end, you still have decrypted content that you could then edit with a new CloneDVD program and burn to disc.