HBO MAX Space Jam- A New Legacy 4K

Discussion in 'AnyStream' started by Heathw, Jul 21, 2021 at 5:13 PM.

  1. wright96d

    wright96d Well-Known Member

    Other sources have a DV version up, so it would seem AS just didn't receive the DV stream. And I don't think this movie has an Atmos mix, just 5.1.

    That's because your TV received the DV stream. AS didn't.
     
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2021 at 10:09 PM
  2. DannyBoi

    DannyBoi Well-Known Member

    AnyStream is able to grab 4k dolby vision woth dolby atmos audio to
     
  3. wright96d

    wright96d Well-Known Member

    We know.
     
  4. cartman0208

    cartman0208 Well-Known Member

    As far as I know, newer samsung models can't do Dolby Vision because Samsung doesn't want to pay for the license. They use their own Format HDR10+
    I also own a Samsung 2019 model, but I never noticed green or pink more than usual on 4K streams
     
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  5. Greg Alex

    Greg Alex Well-Known Member

    I'm no expert, but my guess is newer Samsung models may resolve it a little bit better. Mine is from 2017. 4k content is nice but I get some weird colors. Image is not terrible but definitely not natural looking. I believe in 4k but at the same time I don't think that any of my current displays (which are HDR) are capable of taking advantage of this tech. I bet on newer displays that cost $5000 and up 4k will be a stunner. Sony A90J would deliver superb quality
     
  6. tdfrgsn

    tdfrgsn Well-Known Member

    Isn't there a stream listed in AnyStream halfway between the 1080p version and the 4K version? Something like a 1440p version? I wonder if that's the non-HDR stream that HBO Max uses on devices that don't support DV.
     
  7. wright96d

    wright96d Well-Known Member

    A TV can't well-resolve a signal type it can't process in the first place. If you're actually seeing images on your TV like the one I posted, you need to change the device you're using. Or update the firmware, or something. It should never ever look like that.

    Even though streaming services don't use dual layer files for backwards compatibility with HDR10, they're still capable of providing an HDR10 stream. If your non DV capable TV is receiving a DV stream, or your DV capable TV is showing pink and green, something is wrong.

    HDR10 streams and DV streams are both full 4K.

    Edit: I misunderstood you a bit. You might be right. But if a TV doesn't support DV, but does HDR 10, it will get a 4K HDR10 stream.
     
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2021 at 10:23 PM
  8. retiredqwest

    retiredqwest Member

    Just tried 3200x1800 and no DV. And it looks good.

    Video
    ID : 1
    Format : HEVC
    Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
    Format profile : Main 10@L5@Main
    HDR format : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
    Codec ID : hvc1
    Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
    Duration : 1 h 55 min
    Bit rate : 12.4 Mb/s
    Width : 3 200 pixels
    Height : 1 800 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate mode : Constant
    Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 10 bits
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.090
    Stream size : 9.99 GiB (94%)
    Writing library : x265 3.4hy:[Linux][GCC 7.5.0][64 bit] 10bit
    Encoding settings : cpuid=1111039 / frame-threads=1 / wpp / no-pmode / no-pme / no-psnr / no-ssim / log-level=2 / input-csp=1 / input-res=3200x1800 / interlace=0 / total-frames=0 / level-idc=0 / high-tier=1 / uhd-bd=0 / ref=4 / no-allow-non-conformance / repeat-headers / annexb / no-aud / no-hrd / info / hash=0 / no-temporal-layers / no-open-gop / min-keyint=96 / keyint=96 / gop-lookahead=0 / bframes=3 / b-adapt=2 / b-pyramid / bframe-bias=0 / rc-lookahead=25 / lookahead-slices=4 / scenecut=40 / hist-scenecut=0 / radl=0 / no-splice / no-intra-refresh / ctu=64 / min-cu-size=8 / rect / no-amp / max-tu-size=32 / tu-inter-depth=1 / tu-intra-depth=1 / limit-tu=0 / rdoq-level=2 / dynamic-rd=0.00 / no-ssim-rd / signhide / no-tskip / nr-intra=0 / nr-inter=0 / no-constrained-intra / strong-intra-smoothing / max-merge=3 / limit-refs=3 / limit-modes / me=3 / subme=3 / merange=57 / temporal-mvp / no-frame-dup / no-hme / weightp / no-weightb / no-analyze-src-pics / deblock=0:0 / sao / no-sao-non-deblock / rd=4 / selective-sao=4 / no-early-skip / rskip / no-fast-intra / no-tskip-fast / no-cu-lossless / no-b-intra / no-splitrd-skip / rdpenalty=0 / psy-rd=2.00 / psy-rdoq=1.00 / no-rd-refine / no-lossless / cbqpoffs=0 / crqpoffs=0 / rc=abr / bitrate=12500 / qcomp=0.60 / qpstep=4 / stats-write=0 / stats-read=2 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv-maxrate=18750 / vbv-bufsize=18750 / vbv-init=0.6 / vbv-end=0.6 / vbv-end-fr-adj=0.0 / ipratio=1.40 / pbratio=1.30 / aq-mode=2 / aq-strength=1.00 / cutree / zone-count=0 / no-strict-cbr / qg-size=32 / no-rc-grain / qpmax=69 / qpmin=0 / no-const-vbv / sar=0 / overscan=0 / videoformat=5 / range=0 / colorprim=9 / transfer=16 / colormatrix=9 / chromaloc=0 / display-window=0 / master-display=G(13250,34500)B(7500,3000)R(34000,16000)WP(15635,16450)L(10000000,1) / cll=677,233 / min-luma=0 / max-luma=1023 / log2-max-poc-lsb=8 / vui-timing-info / vui-hrd-info / no-concatenation / slices=1 / no-opt-qp-pps / no-opt-ref-list-length-pps / no-multi-pass-opt-rps / scenecut-bias=0.05 / hist-threshold=0.01 / no-opt-cu-delta-qp / no-aq-motion / hdr10 / no-hdr10-opt / no-dhdr10-opt / no-idr-recovery-sei / analysis-reuse-level=0 / analysis-save-reuse-level=0 / analysis-load-reuse-level=0 / scale-factor=0 / refine-intra=0 / refine-inter=0 / refine-mv=1 / refine-ctu-distortion=0 / no-limit-sao / ctu-info=0 / no-lowpass-dct / refine-analysis-type=0 / copy-pic=1 / max-ausize-factor=1.0 / no-dynamic-refine / no-single-sei / no-hevc-aq / no-svt / no-field / qp-adaptation-range=1.00 / no-scenecut-aware-qpconformance-window-offsets / right=0 / bottom=0 / decoder-max-rate=0
    Encoded date : UTC 2021-07-21 21:36:45
    Tagged date : UTC 2021-07-21 21:36:45
    Color range : Limited
    Color primaries : BT.2020
    Transfer characteristics : PQ
    Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
    Mastering display color primaries : Display P3
    Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
    Maximum Content Light Level : 677 cd/m2
    Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 233 cd/m2
    Codec configuration box : hvcC
     
  9. wright96d

    wright96d Well-Known Member

    What movie is this?
     
  10. retiredqwest

    retiredqwest Member

    scroll up
     
  11. retiredqwest

    retiredqwest Member

    Just noticed Audio is Dolby Atmos.


    Audio
    ID : 2
    Format : E-AC-3 JOC
    Format/Info : Enhanced AC-3 with Joint Object Coding
    Commercial name : Dolby Digital Plus with Dolby Atmos
    Codec ID : ec-3
    Duration : 1 h 55 min
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 768 kb/s
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs
    Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
    Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 634 MiB (6%)
    Language : English
    Service kind : Complete Main
    Encoded date : UTC 2021-07-21 21:36:45
    Tagged date : UTC 2021-07-21 21:36:45
    Complexity index : 16
    Number of dynamic objects : 15
    Bed channel count : 1 channel
    Bed channel configuration : LFE
     
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  12. wright96d

    wright96d Well-Known Member

    I was just asking because the movie you downloaded earlier already had HDR10 instead of DV. Though, I tried downloading Matrix at the lower resolution instead of 4K and got HDR10 instead of DV. Though personally, I would wait for the devs to allow choosing between the two at 4K.
     
  13. Wowfunhappy

    Wowfunhappy Well-Known Member

    Out of curiosity, has anyone found a higher-than-1080p stream without any HDR?
     
  14. wright96d

    wright96d Well-Known Member

    I've only tried Space Jam and Matrix, but I would assume every resolution above 1080p is HDR.
     
  15. Wowfunhappy

    Wowfunhappy Well-Known Member

    Huh, is that how it is in a browser as well? Are non-HDR 4K screens either limited to either 1080p or muted colors?
     
  16. wright96d

    wright96d Well-Known Member

    Well, yes, I would assume so. Hulu and Disney+ are the only services I know of that provide 4K SDR content. And washed out colors would only be a problem if you're downloading these files from AS or other sources. The app itself isn't going to serve a washed out HDR image to an SDR device.
     
  17. tdfrgsn

    tdfrgsn Well-Known Member

    The way Dolby Vision is supposed to work is that there's a standard SDR 4K image and then a data stream layer that provides HDR info so that if a device isn't compatible it falls back to the SDR stream and still works, I'm guessing HBO Max just has multiple streams instead or something.
     
  18. wright96d

    wright96d Well-Known Member

    That is indeed how it works on 4K Blu-Ray. However that's just not how it works on streaming services. HBO Max isn't alone in this.

    Edit: I misunderstood yet again.
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2021 at 2:43 PM
  19. Sledgehamma

    Sledgehamma Member

    This is not how it works on UHD BDs. HDR(10) isn't just meta data. On UHD BD you have a HDR10 base layer and then a Dolby Vision enhancement layer (can either be a full or. minimal layer).
    If your TV doesn't support HDR10, then the BD player does the HDR10>SDR conversion.

    So AS does now support 4K DV? "Only" for HBO max or all providers?
     
  20. Wowfunhappy

    Wowfunhappy Well-Known Member

    Only HBO Max.
     
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