Clone HD-DVD

Discussion in 'AnyDVD HD (Blu-ray issues)' started by HD43, Feb 20, 2007.

  1. HD43

    HD43 Well-Known Member

    Consider this: Once you have ripped an HD-DVD to your HD, for space reasons a transfer to portable media is necessary. That means using at least 3 DVD-DL's for storage, assuming software becomes available to cut the movie.

    But if Clone HD-DVD were to encode the files to another format, WMV-HD or Quicktime-HD, this would reduce the movie to somewhere around 7.5 GBs, with no loss in quality, and will fit onto 1 DVD DL. WMV-HD uses a more efficent compression than HD-DVD - see the Terminator 2 WMV-HD DVD for proof. (Some say it is actually better than the Blu-Ray version). Bill Gates was pushing for the use of WMV-HD by the movie studios but they declined.

    WMV-HD and Quicktime is practically identical in quality to HD-DVD and Blu-Ray - it's the same specs: 720p and 1080p. And these formats PLAY on most computers via the usual players without any expensive hardware upgrades.

    The only feasible and inexpensive way to "back-up" our HD-DVD libraries is to re-encode to another HD format.

    The WMV-HD encoder and source is available via the Microsoft website, this should be easy to incorporate into the Clone HD-DVD program. The only problem I have found when encoding WMV-HD is a slight muting of the colors and a brightening of the darker parts of the image, as their encoder has no image adjustment features. But this can easily be compensated for on playback with your monitor or player/graphics card software.

    This would make all HD-DVD/Blu-Ray content playable on most computers via Windows Media Player or Quicktime player with no apparent loss of quality - it would still be 1080p with comparable sound quality.
  2. Androo79

    Androo79 Well-Known Member

    If you are going to be stuck watching the movies on your PC then why put on a disc at all?
  3. I agree. :agree: When I want to relax and watch a movie I want to kick back in a recliner with a beer and popcorn. Not in an office chair in front of my computer. What I would like is to be able to do is to recode an HD DVD to Blu-ray (there isn't any HD DVD blank media!) and watch it in my easy chair.
  4. HD43

    HD43 Well-Known Member

    Because your PC can be hooked up to your TV or projector if your graphics cards has a DVI out.

    You can store movies on your multiple hard drives, I guess, but portable storage would seem to make more sense cost-wise.
  5. chuckbytes

    chuckbytes New Member

    Regarding the 3 disc copy

    I read through the post but don't understand the technical aspects of WMV-HD, is that something that can only be played on a computer.
    So I posted a new thread for the lament but thought I would ask here since the topic was close.

    Are you saying that to copy an HD DVD it would take 3 ordinary discs. I've never had to cut to more than one blank DVD and was wondering how that would work. Does the HD DVD program do the cutting for you or do you have to designate where the movie should start and stop between discs.

    I only use the computer to make the backup and use my HD DVD player to display onto the plasma or 1080p screens, so I need to understand if I have to use 3 discs for 1 HD movie (if so what a waste)
    They don't make a carrousel HD player yet. With my ordinary DVD's I could put in 5 discs, so I wouldn't mind so much about splitting over a few discs, but lifting my lazy ass to change discs in the middle of a good scene would be a drag.

    I use HDMI to take the signal over from the amp, do computers offer HDMI these days or is it all DVI. I'd love to find a device with a huge Hard Drive to put beside my amp and store the HD DVD data then just play it from that rather than a disc at all. If anyone knows of something like this, please point it out.
  6. HD43

    HD43 Well-Known Member

    Yes - it's called a computer.

    But not even the largest hard drive will store most people's HD-DVD collection back-ups.

    Hence the WMV-HD suggestion.
  7. HDnooB

    HDnooB Member

    most HD-DVD's are encoded using microsofts vc1 encoder which delivers the best image quality/size ratio . Think of it as wmv-hd with bells on :) wmv-hd is also limited to about 8mb/s, with vc1 ist more like 30mb/s :) so ya gonna see a hit in quality re-encoding to WMV-HD. Isnt clone DVD a transcoder and not a encoder anyway? What is needed is somthing equivelant to DVDrebuilder for HD reencoding.
  8. DetroitBaseball

    DetroitBaseball Well-Known Member

    They have HDDs out that are close to 1 TB and they expect to have a 1 TB drive out soon, so you could store a decent amount of movies on that.
  9. RedFox 1

    RedFox 1 Super Moderator

  10. HD43

    HD43 Well-Known Member

    Now I know where the Terminator came from!
  11. RedFox 1

    RedFox 1 Super Moderator

    And if 3000 terabytes are not enough , there is an addon for another 10,000 Terabytes.:D
  12. HD43

    HD43 Well-Known Member

    You want fries with that?
  13. Bathrone

    Bathrone Active Member

    HD-DVD and BRD titles use VC-1 and AVC. You wont do better than these codecs. Your options are to reduce the resolution and or the bitrate. Both of which will lead to not properly enjoying HD so why bother.

    You dont understand that WMV-HD was based off an older WM9 codec that isnt as good as VC-1 and Quicktime uses some features of AVC but not all of them, and again isnt as good as a full AVC profiles implementation.
  14. BadBoyEddie

    BadBoyEddie New Member

  15. DetroitBaseball

    DetroitBaseball Well-Known Member

  16. HD43

    HD43 Well-Known Member

    But someone on Amazon reviewing T2 watched Terminator 2 Blu-Ray side by side with T2 WMV-HD and said WMV was superior.

    Isn't there a point where they all appear to balance out quality-wise - 60/70 inch, or something.

    It's not like we're all projecting it onto a 14 foot movie screen and need the VERY BEST quality possible...
  17. Bathrone

    Bathrone Active Member

    Subjective comparisons are prone to false conclusions. Time and again, objective comparisons using PSNR and the like show AVC and VC-1 to be better than the older WMV3 era stuff.
  18. linx05

    linx05 Well-Known Member

    As you have found out, there will be some loss in quality. I still think running a cable from your computer is the best bet until other means become more affordable and easier.
  19. Faye

    Faye Well-Known Member

  20. wdgoldstein

    wdgoldstein Beta Tester

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