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CINAVIA and Slyce

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WELCOME to a new sandbox to allow play space for those who insist on continuously going on about Cinavia playback denial.

Please use this thread to discuss or speculate or complain about Cinavia and Slyce. There is already a very big thread on the subject.

General discussion things like "try this" "try that" "why won't this work" "look here for a fix" ..... about cinavia will get nuked or moved to the High Def Thread for cinavia.


https://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=48789

We do not need bloat-speak "why not try this?", "when?", "why so long?", etc ... and it's overkill to say the least.

Let's level-set this topic as it applies to Slyce.

1. First, I am getting very annoyed at seeing the word "cancer" used in connection with this playback-only limitation. I have a reason for that.

2. Cinavia will NOT be addressed in the initial release of Slyce to the best of my knowledge. It does not prevent getting the back-up, it does have a "to-do" priority here for us but is lower than getting Slyce rolled out.

3. As for "2", the easiest solution for the "Cinavia problem" is to use a player which *cannot* play retail Blu-ray discs. No retail Blu-ray playback = no AACS license required = no Cinavia. If you can live without full menus, there are many very good and very cheap media players available.

4. All "cinavia" posts in the pre-release Slyce Forum will be moved here for now.
 
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Wonderful. Thanks for setting this up.

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Which will be out first, a fix for Cinavia protection or Slyce?
 
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Which will be out first, a fix for Cinavia protection or Slyce?

Look up from here a little.

See this?

2. Cinavia will NOT be addressed in the initial release of Slyce to the best of my knowledge. It does not prevent getting the back-up, it does have a "to-do" priority here for us but is lower than getting Slyce rolled out.

Now, in typical chicken and egg modus: where would this cinavia fix appear if not in Slyce .... but later?
 
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If not in Slyce, I thought AnyDVD HD.

There is a huge sticky here on that very Forum:

https://forum.slysoft.com/forumdisplay.php?f=53

See it? *Cinavia Protection*

and on the very first page you see this:

Basically when the time comes for SlySoft to deal with it, which is their stated goal at some future point in time, they will do so in Slyce. Therefore, when Slyce is released sometime in the future, we can start a Cinavia discussion thread in the appropriate forum.

And I suspect by now if it were possible to stop this thing in AnyDVD or HD we'd have done it by now. So, yes, it will be fixed but just not soon.
 
Ditto.
Hopefully it will now stop.

I think only Fast Eddie does that. It never really annoyed me. :)

However, "trojan" would be an appropriate and technically correct term to refer to it as, as far as it applies to players, both hardware and software.
 
It's not a Trojan, it's a copy protection. I wish people would stop trying to make out it's something other than it actually is. It's no different than any of the other copy protections they put on discs other than the fact that it hasn't been fully beaten yet. As it only effects those who make copies of their discs then it's doing exactly what it's supposed to do.
 
It's no different than any of the other copy protections they put on discs

That, is not true.

I have a hardware player. I use it to play my backups. I get a firmware update, which is supposed to give improvements and do other stuff for my benefit. Little did I know, I actually got software that gave third party access to my functional equipment, and now they took away my ability to play backups on my equipment. I get no benefit whatsoever from that. I get a disadvantage that I didn't have before the firmware update.

That, is NOT like AACS or BD+.

That, is a trojan. Plain and simple.

A Trojan horse, or Trojan, is a type of malware that masquerades as a legitimate file or helpful program but whose real purpose is, for example, to grant a hacker unauthorized access to a computer.

That, is exactly what the firmware update in the above scenario does.

I wish people would stop trying to make out it's something other than it actually is too.
 
And I wish people would stop whining about it. :bang:. Look you bought into blu-ray as a format. You knew it was an incomplete standard. You knew a long time ago that cinavia was coming to all players. To act surprised when a firmware updates a player to detect cinavia is kind of ridiculous. I don't understand what the constant bickering about it is supposed to accomplish. If you whine loud enough it'll go away? It'll make slysoft work faster on a solution? Has either of those things ever happened due to whining before? Gonna go with no. You're free to express your opinion on cinavia. We all get that it's annoying. But it wasn't a surprise and is nothing more than a copy protection. To claim otherwise is disingenuous. Anyway enough with the bickering. We get it.... You're horribly offended cinavia exists. Go whine to the aacsla about it. They're the ones responsible for making it mandatory. But stop acting surprised about it...
 
That, is not true.

I have a hardware player. I use it to play my backups. I get a firmware update, which is supposed to give improvements and do other stuff for my benefit. Little did I know, I actually got software that gave third party access to my functional equipment, and now they took away my ability to play backups on my equipment. I get no benefit whatsoever from that. I get a disadvantage that I didn't have before the firmware update.

That, is NOT like AACS or BD+.

That, is a trojan. Plain and simple.



That, is exactly what the firmware update in the above scenario does.

I wish people would stop trying to make out it's something other than it actually is too.
No, it still doesn't make it a trojan. it's been part of the specs for a long time, just because it wasn't implemented doesn't make it a trojan when they decide to put it in. The play back of BD-R's was never implemented so you could play backups of your Retail discs, it was implemented for those making their own discs from their own footage. The fact that you could play backups of retail discs was a bonus not a right.
 
The fact that you could play backups of retail discs was a bonus not a right.

I guess that's where we differ.

I believe in consumer rights, and believe people have the right to make a backup and be able to play it. So does SlySoft. That's their raison d'être.

I believe AnyDVD allows users to excersise their consumer rights. It sounds to me like you believe AnyDVD gives consumers a bonus that they don't have a right to.
 
You might believe you have the right, but in many countries it's illegal to make backups or an extremely grey area. What you believe and what is actual fact can be very different things.
I personally believe you should have the right to make backups of discs you actually own (I do not include rentals), but me thinking that doesn't change the laws in various countries as they stand today.
It sounds to me like you believe AnyDVD gives consumers a bonus that they don't have a right to.
And comparing my comment about BD-r playback on settop players and AnyDVD is completely off, they aren't the same, although if you want to get picky about it then yes if you look at it along legal lines AnyDVD does give you something you don't have a right to in those countries that it's illegal to make copies of your discs.
 
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No, it still doesn't make it a trojan. it's been part of the specs for a long time, just because it wasn't implemented doesn't make it a trojan when they decide to put it in. The play back of BD-R's was never implemented so you could play backups of your Retail discs, it was implemented for those making their own discs from their own footage. The fact that you could play backups of retail discs was a bonus not a right.

Trojans have been part of computers for a long time. Just because they aren't always implemented doesn't make it malware when someone decides to put it in. The use of the Internet was never implemented so you could see porn or look at cat videos. It was implemented by the United States government and for private commercial interests. The fact that you can look at porn or cat videos is a bonus not a right.

:D
 
A trojan is something that's slipped in unexpectedly. NO ONE that posts on this forum can honestly say the presence of Cinavia in a firmware update for a player was unexpected. Therefore, it's NOT a trojan.
 
No one that posts on this forum... but what about other people? ;)

And who honestly thought anything about Cinavia with regard to their Blu-Ray players before mid 2010?

Just because corporations can make "official" trojans and add them to hardware after the hardware has already been shipped does not stop them from being trojans. ;)

It would be entirely different if Cinavia was implemented from the start, and was documented and stated in the EULA that comes with every player.

That can be a dangerous precedent. Publishing hardware and software, but not finalizing specs, and making it so companies have the right to change anything at any time, even if it puts their users at a disadvantage, with the idea that "the specs weren't finalized, so you can't complain."
 
You're just being argumentative for no reason. You can believe what you want, I really don't care. But this isn't the "boo hoo cinavia hurt my feelings" forum.
 
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