Casino Royale Problem in other disks too.

Discussion in 'AnyDVD HD (DVD issues)' started by georgieporgie, Mar 25, 2007.

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  1. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    I haven't watched it yet but we got a bunch of movies yesterday that I did backups of. This was the only one that gave me even the slightest hint of an issue. All the rest, even some Sony titles, were fine. Sony can experiment all they want, but, the simple fact is, we'll always defeat their pathetic attempts. The more they get away from the DVD standard, the more pissed off their customers will get. Jerks.

    Phillips is abandoning the plasma market from what I read. That's an interesting sign of things to come. LCD appears to be winning. Personally, I'd LOVE to get the Samsung 1080p LCD....some day. :)
  2. georgieporgie

    georgieporgie Member

    A new approch to on the fly fixing, modified product suggestion

    A cool approch to helping with the Sony VOB fix Bullcrap might be as follows:
    Using the Rip to Hard Disk function of AnyDVD is where a new function of AnyDVD could restore the VOB files, but make it an option (check box) in the rip function as it would take longer to rip the DVD if it was also restoring ISO compliance and fixing the VOBs.
    BTW I was only refering to my friends that use AnyDVD and the 30 or so posts in the forum, I do realize there will be differing opinions and many folks (myself included) are 100% satisfied with the Slysoft suite of programs. I am only acting as a concerned citizen alerting the programmers to my concerns over the new Sony Feature set and possible ways to lower my (and possibly others) concern level.
    I support and very much appretiate the efforts of Island Thunder and folks.
    I will slightly revise my product suggestion sent to the programmers to reflect this new data and valuable opinions I have gathered here.
  3. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    I moved some posts here
  4. cool_desac

    cool_desac Well-Known Member

    One-step copier.....

    Oh yes, I did mention Pursuit of Happyness.

    Add maybe Curse of the Golden Flower.

    These two dvd movies have one thing in common that makes them difficult to back up by 'ordinary' means. a lot of files incorporated in them are trash. And, as in Casino Royale, the back up copy is liable to freeze at some points at the end.

    Ordinarily, the encoder or writer ignores the trash at burning, but maybe not at the end where the trailer texts are shown. Texts may not be considered in error as images.

    In Golden Flower, your decrypter/ripper may ignore the useless trash and substitute dummy sectors to fill the void. But in Happyness, your ripper is forced to copy the trash. It is left for the shrink to ignore the trash in encoding. The encoded trash sectors will make the picture freeze momentarily, or abort the program wholly. (A back up of a back up of Casino Royale may not even be possible to make)

    A question then ensues: what makes the ripper fail to ignore the trash?:confused:

    Does AnyDvd automatically put a flag on these trash sectors?
  5. cool_desac

    cool_desac Well-Known Member

    I used "one step" for "one stop" because the phrase would be a better choice for the meaning intended.

    One says "one stop" when one necessarily refers to shopping.

    You can, however, use "one stop" if you wish.

    But I do appreciate the fact that you read my post. Let's do it some more.:agree:
  6. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    This actually tends to be a sign of poor burn quality or bad blank media than anything else. Poor burn quality is notorious towards the end of discs (you can use a custom size of 4300 in Clonedvd2 or whatever burning application you're using). This issue usually doesn't arise if you lower your burn speed slightly or use good quality blank media.

    By the way, Anydvd ripper should never be used except as a last resort (for example, if you're trying the newer Sony releases with Shrink).
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2007
  7. mike20021969

    mike20021969 Well-Known Member

    i just bought casino royale and saw 3 (i bought the saw3 trilogy off amazon) and i backed them all up without problem using the latest verions of anydvd and clonedvd2 8)
  8. cool_desac

    cool_desac Well-Known Member

    I agree.

    This may be true. But in this case I used Maxell 16x, Maxell 8x, Fuji 16x, Verbatim Roman, verbatim whatever, and sony 16x. I used this on one sony slow drx-500ulx; one liteon slow jlms 166s; one 16x sony drx 810; one 16x sony drx 820; some of them internal and some of them external. They had varied results in freezing.

    So I disabled AnyDvd and used the good ol' dvd decrypter/dvd shrink tandem to encode. It worked fine, even to the back up of the backup copy.

    So I disagree in that AnyDvd should be used as a last resort. It should be used as a first resort---it affords a one-step ripping and encoding with Shrink, or recode.

    If AnyDvd is used with Recode 2, then one is able to rip, encode, and burn in one step. This process, however, is not perfect.

    Why does Shrink/AnyDvd fail at times? I still dunno!
  9. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Can vary in quality; some of it is not good

    Maxell+R stuff tends to be better than its -R

    Terrible. Pure junk (unless you got a very old batch of Fujis that were made in Japan; but even then Taiyo Yuden was dumping its lower end stuff onto Fuji)

    Never heard of this

    But I hope you weren't using
    and you might want to take a look at
    (I can't burn the Verbatim Prodiscs at 16x without getting burn errors; at 12x, they are fine. I can
    burn Verbatim+R 16x CMC at 16x without issue).

    Sonys aren't terrible, but they aren't the greatest either. With 16x media,
    I would recommend you burn at 12x to be safe.

    I didn't say Anydvd. I said Anydvd ripper. Read

    No. Anydvd ripper should be a last resort, when all else fails. It can cause problems.

    You don't need Anydvd ripper with the latest version of Recode. You just import directly into Recode with Anydvd running in the background.

    With the newer sony stuff, Anydvd, and Shrink, you will need to use Anydvd ripper with Shrink as there's no other way to import the movie using Anydvd by itself.

    If you're experiencing freezing issues with your backups, I suggest you take a look at
    Because other people who are burning the newer Sony titles successfully are not reporting any freezing issues.
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2007
  10. cool_desac

    cool_desac Well-Known Member

    I expressly pointed out that there was nothing wrong with the brands(including Sony) that I used. This was proven when I used another method of backing up the movie. Same brands, different method. I do not disagree with you, ok?

    It appears we have had different experiences with different brands.

    Well, if all goes well with one brand, it should go well with that brand.

    Now, if what I interpret is correct, you are saying that AnyDvd (which is what I said) is different from AnyDvd ripper. if so, what makes one different from the other?

    Tell it to me again without referring to a url, please.
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2007
  11. cool_desac

    cool_desac Well-Known Member

    Aren't you glad you have Clonedvd2?;)

    I don't:(
  12. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    What I'm pointing out is when you use lower quality media, the disc quality can vary from disc to disc, so it may not be a valid test to test one blank in one program and have it fail--and then test another blank from the same batch in another program and have it work. Even Vebatim made by Prodisc . . . sometimes I can burn one at 16x without issue (but most of the time, I can't). And Verbatim is highly regarded (although the Prodisc stuff isn't as highly regarded as Verbatim made by CMC). I now avoid Verbatim made by Prodisc.

    Also, I'm not trying to have an argument with you; I'm just discussing blank media.

    I would recommend taking a good hard long look at
    What I'm writing isn't subjective here.

    But if you're happy using what you're using, then that's cool with me.

    I would also recommend taking a look at what's written in blue here:

    The Digital Dolphin is the author of those posts (he's well known in the online burning community: he has done some of the best Benq burner reviews I've ever seen and is a mod at; he is/was a mod at; he burns blank media on an industrial level and is one of the few to do so in the online community, and he has also performed longevity tests using industry standard equipment that most of us don't have access to).

    Maxell (well, Maxell does for its Plus line; Maxell Plus and Broadcast Quality are excellent), Fuji, etc., do not make their own media. A number of different sources do. And they all vary in quality. So it's not easy for most people to determine what they're buying.

    I can copy and paste the info for you if you'd prefer. Anydvd ripper incorporates an older version of Fixvts; ripping using the "rip video dvd to harddisk" feature in Anydvd can produce very different results than dragging and dropping the files from Windows Explorer with Anydvd running in the background (which does not incorporate an older version of FixVTS). There are instances where using Anydvd ripper can produce undesired results. Using a search on the forum give you information where anydvd ripper was the wrong solution. Here is a recent instance where it's not a good idea to be using Anydvd ripper:
    (Clonedvd is having a hard time dealing with the rip produced by Anydvd ripper. cat man later pmed me, and loading the original disc directly into clonedvd with Anydvd running in the background worked for him instead).

    Unfortunately, for Anydvd and Shrink users (that won't use any other programs), the only way to get the main movie into Shrink when dealing with the newer Sony titles is by using Anydvd ripper. Consequently, Anydvd ripper here qualifies as a last resort.


    1. The best way to rip using Anydvd is to use Clonedvd2 (if you want video files and not a sector 1:1 rip). If you can't or are not willing to do that, this is how you rip using Anydvd:

    2. With the latest version of Anydvd running, drag and drop the video_ts folder to your desktop using Windows Explorer. Alternatively, you don't need to rip at all and can just directly import the disc into whatever burning application you want, provided Anydvd is running in the background. You don't necessarily need to rip first at all. Not having to rip first at all is one major advantage of using Anydvd.

    3. If you can't get what you want using #1 and #2 first, then you right click on the fox icon on your toolbar and select rip video-dvd to hard disk--but only if methods 1 and 2 fail first. This method uses an old version of FixVTS, which is often not required (but it is required for the newer Sony Accros bad sector protection discs if you're using Anydvd only with Shrink and want to produce a main movie only backup).
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2007
  13. cool_desac

    cool_desac Well-Known Member

    +R's are made with dyes.
    They should burn faster, and are more versatile.
    There might be a problem with the dye after a time, though.
    Permanence? I can't say---haven't been around that long.
  14. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    -R is uses a dye layer as well. And the Prodisc Verbatims and CMC Verbatims that I have are both +R.
  15. cool_desac

    cool_desac Well-Known Member

  16. cool_desac

    cool_desac Well-Known Member

    From a page in View attachment Document.txt

    OOps! Sorry I just have to try how this thing works.

    Anyway, this page seem to say that AnyDvd, or the software that I bought, actually rips and decrypts.

    Unless I am using a different language, AnyDvd is a ripper, and is no different from the term AnyDvd ripper.
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2007
  17. cool_desac

    cool_desac Well-Known Member

    Here we go again!
  18. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    I searched for "rip" on that page. It only appears in reference to protected audio cds--and even then the statement is intended to mean "allows you to rip" (and not that Anydvd actually rips protected audio cds).

    Again, Anydvd ripper is intended as a "kludge" (as James describes it) or as I express it, a last resort. But do whatever you're happy doing. Anydvd ripper can produce problems.
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2007
  19. cool_desac

    cool_desac Well-Known Member


    Now where was I, oh yes, Pursuit of Happyness and Curse of the Golden Flower---

    The Happyness is actually region free while the Golden Flower is not. Both spit out something like a crc32 value the symbols for which I have no idea.

    Part of the trash in these movies were bits of data which were too short to make valid images. That's where part of the copy protection lies.

    CSS encryption bits in Golden Flower are 10 in all, while Happyness curiously has none. So it should run through Clonedvd2 like a breeze.

    But I don't have to say this. You already know it. After all, I'm the new kid in the block.
  20. DrinkLyeAndDie

    DrinkLyeAndDie Retired Moderator

    To quote James from

    That pretty much sums it up. Debating the issue is utterly a waste because it is what it is. :)
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