Casino Royale Problem in other disks too.

Discussion in 'AnyDVD HD (DVD issues)' started by georgieporgie, Mar 25, 2007.

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  1. georgieporgie

    georgieporgie Member

    Let me clarify the problem.
    Casino Royale USA version is not ISO compliant after being corrected by AnyDVD 6.1.3.3. Specifically, there is invalid location data in the file VTS_01_7.VOB on the repaired media set. This is the result if you do not use AnyDVD to rip it.
    If you RIP it using AnyDVD 6.1.3.3, the resultant file set also has the same error in the file VTS_01_7.VOB.
    This error may be in the file itself or in the vector call to this file's location address, I was unable to make that determination.
    Saw3
    Grudge2
    Casino Royal
    These all have had or still have this same problem which has not been resolved as of version 6.1.3.3. There remains 1 VOB with non-ISO compliance vector addressing which is interpreted as a corrupt file by may programs trying to read the AnyDVD corrected version of the media set.

    I have submitted 2 product suggestions to work around this situation and hopefully the programmers will respond to them.
    At a minimum AnyDVD needs to be changed to makes exactly 2 folders appear on the corrected media set TS_VIDEO and TS_AUDIO, e.g. no PDFs or other folders, and on occation the TS_AUDIO empty folder needs to be added to the corrected media set.
    I think if these features are added it will mediate this new issue with these type of disk "features".
     
  2. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    This title is backed up perfectly fine with Anydvd and Clonedvd2, Clonecd, 1-Clickdvdcopy, Nero Recode 2.5.2.0, DVD neXt COPY, DVD95 Copy, etc. Anydvd and Shrink, by themselves, cannot produce full disc backups of Casino Royale R1.

    Please read http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=885 fully

    Also, the audio_ts folder has nothing to do with this issue, and Anydvd ripper was not designed as a permanent ripping solution, but
    rather a workaround for specific titles.
    visit http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=328

    Also, it should be noted that a Slysoft developer is well aware of what the issue really is:
    http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?p=19487
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2007
  3. georgieporgie

    georgieporgie Member

    ISO compliance is key, Product suggestions are key

    Your goal as I see it as moderator as I am seeing it is to make sure using the Slysoft software family to make sure there is a way for people to back up each DVD. Using several programs and using ISO repair utilities is not a problem as you see it. Well, what I am saying is after reading this forum you need to know your customers expectations to be able to keep the product line more in tune with how your customers are using it. At the current rate of expansion of this new Sony Hack, AnyDVD will no longer work as expected in a few months. Slysoft customers will need to use multiple applications and will not be able to shrink the size of the DVD files and will be spending more time backing up their disks and on 9 GB media because shrink won't work. I think this will stink and people will once again begin to look for other products to do all of the tasks with a single program.
    The funny thing is that up until about 2 months ago AnyDVD was a one stop software program that took DVD with a bunch of non-ISO crap on them and rendered them more ISO compliant enough to play and back them up with most any software.
    Once I start seeing that you need to read a web forum, use 2 or 3 separate programs, and use 9 GB disks to backup 1 DVD, I get frustrated to the point where I no longer want to buy DVDs or back them up at all.
    Many people in your forums are trying to express this same feeling of worry that I have right now.
    If you remove the AUDIO_TS folder from a DVD, for example, it is NO LONGER ISO compliant. This seems to be an easy one to tackle first, if there is no AUDIO_TS folder, render one in the repaired media set. If there is a file in the root of the DVD file system, remove it in the rendered media set. Each of these tasks will make the AnyDVD rendered media set more compatible and will satify more customers expectations of how the software is supposed to work.
    An ISO compliant disk will play rip or burn with almost any DVD program.
    The further one strays from ISO compliance the fewer DVD software programs can rip , view, burn, etc, the DVD.
    One goal of AnyDVD should be to adhear to ISO compliance whenever possible to make the disk MOST compatible. Notice I say (when possible) assumming that the first goal is to tackle and repair each copy protection sceeme.
    If all this forum is, is a place to come see and read how to backup a disk and which tools and programs are needed and in which order, AnyDVD looses value as a viable software tool. Please listen to the suggestions of the customers and the groans because they are fueling the stategy of the enemy as well.
    At a minimum if you discount the importance of ISO and Shrink 3.2 compliance, then you should add the ability to shrink the DVD media set to fit on a 4.7 GB disk as part of the ripping tool feature set.
    On the other hand logic tells me that the most simple way to solve the problem of ISO compliance is to make the resultant media rendered by the AnyDVD ripper completely ISO compliant; e.g no errors or warnings with any other software program like Nero, Shrink, etc.etc., which check for ISO compliance as part of their function.
     
  4. bilbo65

    bilbo65 Well-Known Member

    :disagree: Please do not presume to speak for the majority of AnyDVD users who, perhaps as in my case, are perfectly happy with the results I get with AnyDVD/CloneDVD2 and care not a whit about DVD Shrink or other such programs.
     
  5. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    I am honestly less interested in moderating than I am in solving people's problems with the software. In fact, I am of the opinion the other two moderators for the English forums do a far better job moderating than I do (I am reluctant to ban people; I am not always as diplomatic as I could be either; I sometimes get involved in heated discussions when I probably shouldn't). Anyway, my goal is to help people.

    I do not work for Slysoft.

    I've already expressed my opinion with respect to Shrink and Anydvd numerous times. This is beating a dead horse already. Use the search feature on the forums. I am of the opinion a new Anydvd ripper tool should be implemented to help Shrink users. I'm not sure the Slysoft developers agree with me. I'm not sure if Slysoft agrees with me. I'm not sure most Slysoft customers agree with me (in fact I believe several do not). I'm just expressing my opinion.

    They are not "my customers". I am a Slysoft customer, in fact. I have no idea how Slysoft customers are using Anydvd. I would imagine a majority are using Clonedvd2, which, in fact, I rarely use. I would imagine the second most used program with Anydvd is Shrink. I happen to use Anydvd with Clonecd and Verbatim +R DL media.


    Based on what information? Clonedvd2, Clonecd, 1-Clickdvdcopy, Nero Recode 2.5.2.0, DVD neXt COPY, DVD95 Copy work fine with these newer Sony titles for full disc backups using Anydvd.

    Shrink does not.


    You're assuming most Anydvd users use Shrink. I see no evidence to support this assumption conclusively. In fact, I don't use Shrink. I certainly believe something should be done for Shrink users--but not all Anydvd customers are using Shrink.


    I already listed the programs that work fine with Anydvd. If you're asking me to help support an Anydvd solution for Shrink, you're barking up the wrong tree. I have no sway in what Slysoft does, and you're already preaching to the converted.


    And it still is. But not with DVDShrink.

    Trust me. This is not the issue. I'm not going to bother discussing it; but the Audio_TS folder has nothing to do with this problem.

    It does adhere to ISO compliance when possible. Anydvd can not alter VOBs on the fly.

    There is no order. Use Verbatim +R DL media with Clonecd. Problem solved. Use Clonedvd2. Problem solved. Use Nero Recode. Problem solved.

    There is an order with Shrink.

    James is well aware of the issue with Anydvd and Shrink. He is listening.


    Anydvd will never compress video. That was never its design.


    I believe many people would like to see something like this happen. Unfortunately, that may take a lot more development time and money than Slysoft would like. I'm not sure.
     
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2007
  6. cool_desac

    cool_desac Well-Known Member

    To merge or not to---

    AnyDvd is a ripper on the fly. Augmenting a transcoder with it just eliminates the choice of a transcoder/burner afterwards. And I want my options open.

    An exact copy of a disc burnt with recode 2 sometimes is not possible. The only option open for this is to encode only the main movie and then make a second copy.

    Dvd Shrink sometimes does not work with Recode 2, and Any Dvd for some purposes.

    Sony does would make it difficult for any one-step program to copy their dvd's. And combining a transcoder with AnyDvd might be more difficult for us backuppers. Therefore, a combination of rippers and transcoders would be more favorable for us.

    Besides, a one-step program to copy dvd's might be more on the illicit side, no?

    I do know that Sony dvd recorders recommended free softwares of Dvd Shrink and Recode 2, made by Veritas, or Sonic, or Ahead.:agree:
     
  7. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    It is with Casino Royale R1:
    visit http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=1726950&postcount=32

    And it should be for most discs provided you're using an updated version of Recode.

    Slysoft already provides you with this solution. So why would it be illicit?
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2007
  8. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    No, Slysoft does not. AnyDVD removes the protection, but, you still need something else to do the copy. What he was suggesting is one program that does both the ripping and copying...That's been done before with disasterous results. :) Hence why AnyDVD is separate from CloneDVD.
     
  9. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Based on what the OP wrote originally, he is complaining about requiring other programs to use with Anydvd and Shrink to get a full working backup. Based on this, one can conclude that if anydvd worked with Shrink that would = a one step program. That one step program is Clonedvd or Clonecd (working in conjunction with Anydvd).

    At this point we're arguing semantics, and we both fully understand what the issue is, so I'm not going to bother discussing this point further.


    I can name a competing product (one program) that does both perfectly fine as far as I can tell (but not on the fly). I prefer Anydvd though, because it does a lot more than what the competing product offers.
     
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  10. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    But CloneDVD or CloneCD won't work (on protected discs) without AnyDVD...that is the difference of why it's not REALLY a one step program. They require another program running in the background in order to do their magic. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but, it really isn't one step in that sense.

    EDIT: Yes, it is semantics...this is quite true.

    And all the others that have tried this have been forced out of business. I think I know which one you're referring to and I'm honestly surprised they haven't been targeted. Of course, I'm not sure what country they're based out of, either, so, that could have something to do with it. I've personally never used it but I've heard good things about it.

    I also prefer AnyDVD and have no complaints at all...I was just clarifying how I read the post about a one step program.
     
  11. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    O.k, Look . . .

    This is what the OP wrote originally:

    This got translated into "one step", I believe, by cool_desac.

    You and I both know how Clonedvd works.

    I chose not to correct cool_desac because I believe I understood what cool_desac was writing (but perhaps I didn't).
     
  12. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    Yes, yes, I'm ready to let it go. :) I understand your issue and it's fine. :)
     
  13. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    lol My "issue?" :D

    How's things?
     
  14. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    That's what I said, yes. :D LOL!
    Not too bad. You? I just had a weird issue last night with Talledaga Nights. I ripped it with CloneDVD and Recode went "yea, ok, but, I can't compress this." Which is the equivalent of DVD Shrink's "not compressable" message. I could have ignored it but decided to go with the safe route and run it through FixVTS. Worked fine. Damn Sony movies!
     
  15. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Well, there's this SamuriHL guy who's giving me a hard time, but other than that . . . :D

    picky, picky ;)


    Yes! :agree:
     
  16. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    Yea, that jerk should be banned. Oh, wait!! :D

    Well, you know, if you're going to take the time to make a backup, take the time to do it right. Of course, this totally vindicates DrinkLyeAndDie after I gave him a hard time about his incredibly long method of backups. SIGH.

    Just another thing to add to my growing list of why Sony sucks these days. To think a few years ago I was their biggest fan. They had the PS going for them. Burners were good. TVs were top notch. Now, the company is just pissing everyone off on all fronts. Not a very good way to run a business.
     
  17. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Yeah, that's not for me, but I appreciate the reasoning (I'm just interested in fast, good quality burns, with no compression).

    Can't say I'm a big fan . . .
     
  18. DrinkLyeAndDie

    DrinkLyeAndDie Retired Moderator

    I didn't see it as you giving me a hard time at all. You were just curious as to why I did it the way I did. :)

    Every now and then being an anal-retentive person with OCD comes in handy! ;)


    The only thing that impresses me about Sony anymore is their Bravia TVs. Other than that they can rot in Hell.
     
  19. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator

    So it would seem! :) I could have just ignored the error, but, that kind of thing bothers me. And why on this movie when I had no problem at all with other, later titles?! Screwy Sony titles!!! And yes, I'm always curious as to how people back up their movies. Either I can learn from their approach, as was the case here, or I can offer advice on how to improve it sometimes. I like having options. :)

    Aren't some of those actually Samsung screens rebranded now? That's the thing that's pissing me off the most about Sony...they don't make their own stuff anymore. Their burners are overpriced rebranded LiteOns. Their TVs are rebranded Samsungs(which isn't a bad thing, but, I'd just get the Samsung). And they're an EXTREMELY arrogant company! No thanks...they've lost all my respect over the last few years. Which is a shame...I was a huge fan.
     
  20. DrinkLyeAndDie

    DrinkLyeAndDie Retired Moderator

    I agree about not liking to ignore errors. It just doesn't seem... right to me. An error is an error for whatever reason it happened.

    As for Talladega Nights I have no experience with the movie. I never saw it in the theatre or rented it let alone bought it.

    Right now it seems to me that Sony is experimenting and using us as guinea pigs in their creation and evolution of a new extension to their existing protections.

    I knew their drives were rebranded but not their TVs. Bleh. As far as either Sony and Samsung, I think Philips has their hands in both companies so I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the TVs rebranded, I guess. If an electronic product isn't made by Philips you can damn well be sure it has to have at least one component inside of it that is!

    I agree, though. They've lost my respect.
     
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