Blu-Ray Support

Discussion in 'AnyDVD HD (Blu-ray issues)' started by skourip, Feb 17, 2007.

  1. skourip

    skourip Member

    Reading through a post requesting that slysoft should supprt Blu-Ray I wasnt very clear what the answer from the company was. The posts from the Moderator leed me to beleive that Bue-Ray is out of the picture for them for now at least. Does anyone know a definitive answer to this question? My opinion is that support for blu-ray should be a priority for slysoft. I own both however it seems from both retail as well as online sales that blu-ray is going to be the winner. Despite the fact that it is early, the product placement(of the players sampling about 30 stores in the northeast) at the big retail stores by itself already says a lot!! HD-DVD has been pushed aside by the big guys at least for now.
     
  2. tabacznik

    tabacznik New Member

    HD-DVD much better than BluRay!

    But the mastering quality in HD-DVD Discs is much better up to now, than in BluRay, and HD-DVD is much cheaper. So pray to God that BluRay doesn't win. Support HD-DVD!
     
  3. skourip

    skourip Member

    Despite the fact that some of the initial blu-ray releases were indeed flawed that is not the case any more. I am not supporting any one of the two even though in the long run I do think that BR does have an edge. I do not agree with the Sony hating crowd because although I don’t love sony it does surprise me that nobody seems to mind that Microsoft´s support is one of the main reasons HD DVD has a fighting chance. Both companies have employed their share of questionable business tactics.
     
  4. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    I hope you didn't get that impression from me. I believe the Slysoft devs will take a look at Blu-Ray, but nothing concrete is planned.
     
  5. Bathrone

    Bathrone Active Member

    A tragic mistake indeed not to give BluRay the focus it deserves.

    It is likely to be the winner in the format war, for good or bad. Sales are clearly ahead and the format is pushing how it has the majroity of content from the studios.

    We need region free from bluray discs - there is far more demand for bluray than HD-DVD because of this as HD-DVD doesnt use region coding :agree:

    Are the devs afraid of BD+ :D
     
  6. James

    James Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    With AnyDVD HD gaining popularity, this will change. :D

    http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=23568
     
  7. James

    James Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    Then, why are you buying an even *more* restrictive format? Isn't HD DVD bad enough?
     
  8. nwasend

    nwasend Active Member

    So to answer everyones question regarding blu-ray. Based on Tom's response, blu-ray will be supported further down the road.:clap: :agree: :bowdown:
     
  9. James

    James Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    Peer will have to do this alone. I'll pass. :D
     
  10. Bathrone

    Bathrone Active Member

    You assume James that it is a consumers market. It is not. Its about content and supply. Bluray has the major share of all the studios on their side.

    It would be a regreatble business strategy to only support one of the two new formats, and especially the one which is not leading the sales. :(

    Perhaps slysoft could consider just a simple region free bluray product, then tackle the harder BD+ down the road. There is major demand for region free bluray now. :bowdown:

    Someone is going to start selling such a product inevitably and slysoft is uniqely positioned with brand identification and reputation to win the market quickly. That is, unless slysoft is getting kickbacks from bluray not to do so :policeman: :D
     
  11. James

    James Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    Only as long as you are stupid enough to buy it. If Disney & Fox sit on piles of unsold Blu-ray discs and they have to watch how Warner, Paramount & Universal make a lot of money with their HD DVD sales... they will reconsider. They want to make money, too. Trust me, they will. :D

    This can change rather quickly with the help of AnyDVD HD.:D

    Decrypting AACS might be much easier than making it region free (AACS is basically the same on HD DVD and Blu-ray), especially as most Blu-ray drives are made by Matsushita/Panasonic.

    Maybe it is just the other way round, and the HD DVD folks give us kickbacks *not* to support Blu-ray? ;)
    http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=23568
     
  12. Bathrone

    Bathrone Active Member

    Thankyou for your thoughts James.

    The notion that piracy will turn around the lack lustre HD-DVD sales is wishful thinking at best. According to which research group you listen too, you get a claimed 2 to 4 way lead over HD-DVD sales. With BRD having a 2 to 4 way lead over HD-DVD sales I dont see that turning around anytime soon.

    And, BRD has region coding, the BDROM mark and BD+. So using the wishful logic that the weakest DRM / strongest pirate format will win clearly isnt reflected in what is happening with the marketplace.

    With a 2 to four fold increase in sales over HD-DVD, it's hardly the case that BRD is sitting on shelves. Its actually HD-DVD that selling not so well.

    One of the primary reasons for studios preferring BRD is it's seen as the stronger security platform. Again, its a suppliers market not a consumers market.

    Im sure you and the other skilled staff at SlySoft can meet the challenge of region coding on BRD.
     
  13. James

    James Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    Not piracy. Fair use. Where do you want to back up a 30GB movie to anyway? You can store it on your terrabyte media server for easy access. Sweet!
    Consumers (yes, it isn't a consumer market per your definition, but somebody must pay for the crap, right?) aren't stupid (you could argue that, of course).
    They want to use HD content the way they did with DVDs. They don't want to buy HDMI/HDCP displays. They want to make a DVD copy for the car. Maybe even a file for their portable player. A copy for the childrens room. They will very soon realise that BR won't allow this, but HD DVD does.
    And the sales aren't that lack lustre as you say. If you compare titles available in both formats, HD DVD is close to Blu-ray or is even in the lead ("The Departed" on Blu-ray has sales rank 154 on amazon.com at the moment of this writing, the HD DVD version 144, so it is selling slightly better). I can only imagine how the sales rank of "Casino Royale" would be on HD DVD. :D
    I can't see Blu-ray outselling HD DVD 2-4 at all.
    The time will come where Fox & Co. won't walk away from the money any longer. DVDs are cracked for years now. This hasn't stopped the industry to make billions with them.
     
  14. James

    James Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    But this is all hypothetical, if my boss tells me "Do Blu-ray, now!" I'll obey. Or take my overdue vacation. :D
     
  15. skourip

    skourip Member

    Well then lets hope that your boss does tell you to do just that James!!! Were can I reach him! ha ha Its funny I don’t seem to get it I guess I am new to the forum. The moderator Webslinger is trying to be unbiased but James who is if I understand it correctly also a Slysoft employee is clearly favoring HD-DVD. This bias is alienating a lot of slysofts customers who refrain from even using this forum because the feel that they will not be heard. You are also keeping new customers away. It certainly isn’t the best business practice a company like slysoft should not be taking sides in a war that is much much bigger than itself but should rather try to take advantage of both formats in order to attract as many customers as possible. Which format is better and which company deserves to win or loose should be irrelevant. You have a customer base which before this split was valuable to you and now you obviously choose to either force one format on them or disregard their needs if they choose different!! In any case I am buying a mix of both formats and the idea of conversion from one to other seems like a good one. I do agree with James that Slysofts software is about fair use rather than piracy. I have copied over 100 DVD´s but have not kept a single copy. It was always on RW discs to be able to watch at my convenience.
     
  16. James

    James Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    Yes, and I am also an individual and entitled to my own opinion.
     
  17. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    I don't work for Slysoft actually (well, I help moderate, and I try to help people if I can), but I'm not a Slysoft employee. I was basing my opinion on
    this:

    http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=1542

    "Tom Xiang, Marketing Director: "When we considered Blu-Ray, our strategy
    was simply to initially support HD-DVD and await further developments
    in the marketplace. Already during the beta phase we got many
    inquiries about Blu-Ray so we decided to go ahead and also provide
    support for this as soon as possible. Blu-Ray employs the same
    AACS process as HD-DVD. An implementation was really just a matter
    of form. A beta version is planned for availability this quarter."



    You're being heard. You don't need to worry about posting. James is just expressing his personal opinion. He is not trying to offend anyone.
     
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2007
  18. skourip

    skourip Member

    Well James yes you are an individual and you are most certainly entitled to your own opinion, however you are posting on your employers forum and your opinions carry the weight they do because on your username it states SlySoft Team Member. As such you should, in my humble opinion, first and foremost represent the company’s views and interests. You could very well have created another username where your affiliation is not indicated if you feel the urgent need to express your personal views especially if these views may hurt the company or upset users. In any case I agree with many of the points you make and my comments are not meant to insult you. Nor was I offended by your comments(as Webslinger may have thought) even though others may not be as forgiving especially when they are called stupid ¨Only as long as you are stupid enough to buy it¨!!
    Webslinger thank you for your response lets see if BR support does actually materialize.
     
  19. DetroitBaseball

    DetroitBaseball Well-Known Member

  20. James

    James Redfox Development Team Staff Member