Blu-ray accelerates introduction of new DRM technology

Discussion in 'AnyDVD HD (Blu-ray issues)' started by w_illboy, Apr 17, 2007.

  1. w_illboy

    w_illboy Member

    All I want to do is play my movies on none HDCP equipment!


    The Blu-ray Disc Association has announced that following breaches of the security of the high-definition format's AACS security technology, it has brought forward the planned release date of the BD-Plus (BD+), a more advanced anti-copying system.
    BD+ is an entirely different encryption system to AACS. Instead of each movie having the same encryption key, BD+ allows each disc to install a small piece of encryption software on a player, so that each disc has its own key.

    A method for extracting Blu-ray keys was published in January (the rival HD DVD format, which also uses AACS, had already been cracked). As a result, the AACS licensing body last week released a security update that supplied new encryption keys for the affected discs. However this means that existing discs can no longer be played until the update is applied.

    BD+ would avoid this scenario, by applying the DRM to individual discs rather than movie titles.

    The Blu-ray Disc Association reports that player compatibility testing has ended and that studios have had test discs for the last few months.

    Once BD+ is available it will add between seven to 28 days per title to production time. 20th Century Fox is expected to be one of the firsts to implement this new technology, having slowed disc production since the attacks on AACS, and Sony Pictures is planning to be using it by the end of the year.

  2. gaspasser

    gaspasser Member

    This is the quickest way to kill Blu-ray.
  3. GTakacs

    GTakacs Member

    I beg to differ.

    This will make blu-ray more attractive for the studios as they can be sure that their content is safe(er). Most consumers don't hang out at the slysoft forum and could care less about what DRM is on the disks. All they care about is which platform has the movies they want and who can bring out the first $199 player. Since a more robust DRM will make the studios more inclined to use that one it will boos blu-ray production and studios will flock to blu-ray making it the preferred format for new releases.

    As much as I hate the fact that my xbox HD-DVD drive will become paper weight and I will actually have to swap disks instead of being able to store them on a HD and stream anywhere in my house, this is the way things are heading :( .

    That is of course until the new BD+ scheme is cracked and the field is level again......
  4. James

    James Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    But it will make Blu-ray even more unattractive to the customer as it already is. (Region coding, AACS mandatory, ... )
    If customers have a little bit of brain left they will vote with their wallet and buy HD DVD instead. Hopefully.
  5. James

    James Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    We all do. Simple solution: Buy HD DVD instead. Ditch Blu-ray. It sucks. It has mandatory AACS, so small studios *must* pay huge license fees to AACS LA.
    Let Fox, Sony & Disney movies gather dust on the shelves. :D
    Just resist to buy Blu-ray for Casino Royale. Watch the Matrix instead. :D
  6. James

    James Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    We will crack BD+ faster than Sony is able to spell "Casino Royale", of course, as we are an "equal opportunity copy protection removing company".
    Nevertheless: I beg you all, please don't buy Blu-ray discs & drives. Vote with your wallet. Just don't do it. Let Fox, Disney & Sony sit on their "premium content" if we simply refuse to buy it.
    It is so simple: Do not buy Blu-ray discs. Just ignore the format. Pretend it does not exist. Please....
  7. DrinkLyeAndDie

    DrinkLyeAndDie Retired Moderator

    I plan on waiting for an affordable HD-DVD drive and won't be wasting time with BR at all.

    That said, I'm very interested to see what will happen with iTunes and other major online music sellers switching over to non-DRM'ed offerings. What I really want to see what changes are observed in terms of piracy. Of course the statistics will never actually be legit since the RIAA has always skewed any numbers they've publicized.

    The reason I am interested and even drawing a comparison is that I'm waiting for the movie industry to realize they are in an untenable position. The law-adibing consumer is suffering, the smaller studios are suffering licensing fees from the AACS LA, and the larger studios still lose because they essentially challenge people to break their new protections and that is exactly what happens. The only winner, IMO, is the AACS LA and they don't give a <censored> about anyone but themselves and their wallets. It's an enormous waste of money to develop the new protections and then have to keep updating them.
  8. Octavean

    Octavean Well-Known Member

    This is all very depressing indeed,….

    I probably will not buy a BD only drive but when hybrid Blu-ray and HD DVD drives become available I will be very tempted to get one. Ideally I want an HD DVD + Blu-ray burner (regardless of how practical that actually is to implement) but the next refresh will probably only burn Blu-ray and play HD DVD.

    Naturally BD+, AACS, region codes and any other such protection isn’t a selling point IMO.
  9. GTakacs

    GTakacs Member

    Just as I wrote above, most consumers aren't educated in the DRM realm. They will vote with their wallet. But their vote will be based on number of attractive releases and cost of equipment. Right now I'd have to say BD is winning that war.

    I will not buy a blu-ray drive simply because of cost reasons. I will stick to my xbox HD-DVD and enjoy it as long as I can. If there was a $199 blu-ray drive or standalone player on the market, I'd probably buy one today and cross my fingers that you guys will do your best and take care of me!

    Do I like the fact that AACS exists? No. Does it make our life more difficult to be able to store legitimately purchased content on a media server and view it anywhere I wish? Yup. Are we entitled to be able to store legitimately purchased content on a media server and view it anywhere we wish? I don't think so.

    There are people who think they're entitled to a free upgrade to anyDVD HD from anyDVD. Even you guys don't agree with that. IIRC AnyDVD has a pretty good license authentication system in place (I'm not saying it hasn't been cracked, as it clearly has been) one could call DRM.

    When you buy a HD-DVD what exactly do you buy? The media? The movie that's on it? The right to view that movie whenever wherever you want? If one doesn't like the rules, quit the game. Noone is forcing anyone to go out and buy HD DVDs or Blu-ray. We choose to do so. We are not entitled to HD content. It's a privilege. Studios will try to tie the content to the physical disc as much as they possibly can so the intangible good (the movie viewing experience) will be tied to a tangible (the physical disk), hence making it easier to control theft. I don't think there is anything wrong with it. It's their movie, they can do whatever they want to do with it and I can choose to buy or not to buy it based on the constraints and limitations.

    I think once people realize that most of the things are privileges and not rights in this world they will look at things differently.

    I used to be on the "free for all, share the joy" side of the fence. I'm not so sure any more.....

    I'm off my soapbox now.

    PS:please don't flame/hurt/ban me, just think about what I wrote for a second instead. What I think we should be able to do (freely view a movie I legally purchased the right to do so whenever I want wherever I want regardless of media, we're on the same page here) and what I think we're entitled to do (we're entitled to pursuit of happiness, not happiness) is two vastly different things.
  10. Peer

    Peer Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    I don't like the price I pay for electricity, it's clearly too high - cause it's a monopoly.
    Oh, hell, I'll just quit the game, use candles - I choose.
    Is it really that easy?
  11. GTakacs

    GTakacs Member

    Let's ask some people in Somaila :eek:

    But on a more serious note, electriciy has been deregulated in TX (where I live) so I can't even have that gripe about it being monopoly. And yes you do have a choice ( ). Just like I wrote earlier, even a simple thing such as indoor pumbing or electricity is a privilege not a right.
  12. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Where I am, it is a legal right to make a backup of what I own--REGARDLESS of whether digital copy protection measures are being circumvented to produce that backup.

    But it's not legal in Texas.
  13. Peer

    Peer Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    Yes, there are several countries that don't have a specific regulation for this and some others that even expressly grant you that right.
    But let's not start a discussion about legal stuff - this should all be more about educating the buyers to be able to make decisions that will eventually let the market control things...
  14. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    In my opinion, it should be a legal right everywhere; and then these conversations would be pointless (publishers' wishes do not supersede legal rights). In the meantime, thanks to Slysoft products, I have the manner in which to exercise my legal right to make backups of what I purchased, quickly and effectively.

    I've heard both sides of the Blu-ray vs HD-DVD debate. Both camps have valid points. I guess I can cheer for whatever format makes Slysoft dev's lives a little easier. :)
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2007
  15. Octavean

    Octavean Well-Known Member

    If the industry either was held responsible for or held themselves responsible for the following I would have much less of a problem with protection measures that they use:

    With no questions asked, replace any disc/media/movie that was lost, stolen, damaged (through normal or abnormal use) or “other” with no time limit.

    In either case, unregulated copies or a no questions asked replacement policy, it serves to effectively devalue the product that they are selling.That should not necessarily be the problem of the customer but one way or the other it ultimately becomes a problem for the customer in the form of draconian DRM restrictions, increased price due to DRM protection measures and so on,…

    BTW, I know that a industry wide FREE “no questions asked replacement program” is a laughable idea but it is a reasonable way to protect the “Customers” investment. Another way of protecting the “Customers” investment is to simply allow the customer to make backups and let the customer foot the bill for doing so (blank discs / burner).

    IMO, any governing body worth its salt would at least meet this issue half way by protecting the customer in some way if they even think of passing legislation that effectively prevent legitimate backups of such purchased media.
  16. Peer

    Peer Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    BTW: slight, still noticeable difference here: if you lose your AnyDVD license key, you will not be lost for good, we don't just leave our customers hanging there - lose your DVD and you are lost... ;)
  17. eraser2002

    eraser2002 Member

    I agree with the slysoft guys - i will avoid blu-ray even though i want some of the films available. Region code protection amounts to nothing more than protiteering by preventing customers shopping around for the best deal which can include buying from other countries.

    i bought xbox 360 hddvd and tried to play a film through my computer on my new plasma tv to find due to missing HDCP support i could have wasted the money on 3 disks !

    thanks to anydvd hd it works a treat :bowdown:
  18. bk1987

    bk1987 Well-Known Member

    i have just started to support both formats now that any dvd came out and i can back up the movies i buy ( with young children at home this was very important as disks can become damaged very easy) bottom line, i will continue to buy movies in both formats as long as i can back them up, if the day comes when i cant back up these movies i will no longer support these formats
  19. James

    James Redfox Development Team Staff Member

    And we even encourage our customers to make a backup of their license key. You can't say that about DVD makers, can you?
  20. Peer

    Peer Redfox Development Team Staff Member