Batman The Animated Series 50%

[David1999]

Hey all I have ran into an issue when trying to copy Volume 3 of a 4 Volume series. Volume 1,2 and 4 copied without issue but for some reason Volume 3 does not on any of it's 4 DVDs. It reads the disc just fine when its scanning the DVD with any errors popping up.

This is what the info says:

Summary for drive I: (AnyDVD HD 8.5.5.0, BDPHash.bin 20-03-11)
MATSHITA BD-MLT UJ265 1.00
Drive (Hardware) Region: 1
Current profile: DVD-ROM
Media is a DVD.
Booktype: dvd-rom (version 1), Layers: 2 (opposite)
Size of first Layer: 1849056 sectors (3611 MBytes)
Total size: 3698097 sectors (7222 MBytes)

Video DVD (or CD) label: BATMAN_ANMIATED_V3_D4
Media is CSS protected!
Media is locked to region(s): 1 2 3 4!
Video Standard: NTSC

AI scan forced, heuristic scan detected no protection!
Removing annoying menu clips!
Removed 0 annoying menu clips!
Found & removed structural copy protection!
Found & removed RCE protection!
UDF filesystem patched!
Autorun not found on Video DVD.
Removed CSS copy protection!
Bad sector protection not found.
Emulating RPC-2 drive with region 1!
WARNING: Read errors on disc!

And I also tried another DVD drive but it does the same thing:

Drive (Hardware) Region: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Current profile: DVD-ROM
Media is a DVD.
Booktype: dvd-rom (version 1), Layers: 2 (opposite)
Size of first Layer: 1914960 sectors (3740 MBytes)
Total size: 3516415 sectors (6867 MBytes)

Video DVD (or CD) label: BATMAN_ANMIATED_V3_D1
Media is CSS protected!
Media is locked to region(s): 1 2 3 4!
Video Standard: NTSC

AI scan forced, heuristic scan detected no protection!
Removing annoying menu clips!
Removed 0 annoying menu clips!
Found & removed structural copy protection!
Found & removed RCE protection!
UDF filesystem patched!
Autorun not found on Video DVD.
Removed CSS copy protection!
Bad sector protection not found.
Emulating RPC-2 drive with region 1!
WARNING: Read errors on disc!

And at times it looks like this:

Summary for drive D: (AnyDVD HD 8.5.5.0, BDPHash.bin 20-03-11)
HL-DT-ST BD-REBE14NU40 1.01
Drive (Hardware) Region: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Current profile: DVD-ROM
Media is a DVD.
Booktype: dvd-rom (version 1), Layers: 2 (opposite)
Size of first Layer: 1914960 sectors (3740 MBytes)
Total size: 3516415 sectors (6867 MBytes)

Video DVD (or CD) label: BATMAN_ANMIATED_V3_D1
Media is CSS protected!
Media is locked to region(s): 1 2 3 4!
Video Standard: NTSC

Structural copy protection not found.
Found & removed RCE protection!
UDF filesystem patched!
Autorun not found on Video DVD.
Removed CSS copy protection!
Bad sector protection not found.
Emulating RPC-2 drive with region 1!

Compare the above with what it has for Volume 4:

Summary for drive I: (AnyDVD HD 8.5.5.0, BDPHash.bin 20-03-11)
MATSHITA BD-MLT UJ265 1.00
Drive (Hardware) Region: 1
Current profile: DVD-ROM
Media is a DVD.
Booktype: dvd-rom (version 1), Layers: 2 (opposite)
Size of first Layer: 1888368 sectors (3688 MBytes)
Total size: 3359869 sectors (6562 MBytes)

Video DVD (or CD) label: BATMAN_ANIMATED_VOL4_D1
Media is CSS protected!
Media is locked to region(s): 1 2 3 4!
Video Standard: NTSC

Structural copy protection not found.
Found & removed RCE protection!
UDF filesystem patched!
Autorun not found on Video DVD.
Removed CSS copy protection!
Bad sector protection not found.
Emulating RPC-2 drive with region 1!

 

[coopervid]

You have read errors on these discs. Try to clean them with liquid soap and warm water. then clean with a microfiber cloth. Any scratches visible?
Cleaning the laser lens might also help using a CD cleaning disc. If you have the possibility of using another optical drive this might also be a possibility. Some drives have better error corrections than others.

 

[David1999]

You have read errors on these discs. Try to clean them with liquid soap and warm water. then clean with a microfiber cloth. Any scratches visible?
Cleaning the laser lens might also help using a CD cleaning disc. If you have the possibility of using another optical drive this might also be a possibility. Some drives have better error corrections than others.

All DVDs are in new condition so it couldn't be that its scratched that's causing it - especially when all 4 DVDs stop around 50%?

It's just odd that all 4 DVDs in this volume does this while all over 12 DVDs from Volume 1, 2 and 4 do not. They are also new DVDs.

I've tried all my DVD drives that I have and they all come out with the same result.

 

[dbminter]

Since these errors occur on more than 1 drive, the problem is with the discs. It is highly unlikely that Volume 3 would have some sort of structural protection on it, but not Volume 4 or the previous 2. Plus, my discs for Volume 3 in R1 processed fine. But, this was more than 5 years ago, and I think a new set has been released since then.


Have you tried testing any of these Volume 3 discs by playing their contents? Put in a disc that won't process in AnyDVD and then do a forward scan test of all the contents. I recommend 10x on a PS3; whatever that translates to on your player. Don't scan too fast because it may not find unreadable sectors and don't go too slow because it will take too long. If the DVD player won't play the discs, then you know the discs themselves are bad.

 

[mmdavis]

The last line of the AnyDVD status screen says the issue:

WARNING: Read errors on disc!
20.78s: read sectors failed, sense 4:3e:2
20.78s: tries 2 retry 1914960 to 1914961
29.14s: read sectors failed, sense 3:11:5
29.14s: tries 1 retry 1914960 to 1914961
37.91s: read sectors failed, sense 3:11:5
37.92s: tries 0 retry 1914960 to 1914961
37.92s: read error 1914960 to 1914961, max 3516415, io->read_error 0
37.92s: Reading sector 1914960 failed, final 3516415
46.56s: read sectors failed, sense 3:11:5
46.56s: tries 2 retry 2149622 to 2149623
55.19s: read sectors failed, sense 3:11:5
55.20s: tries 1 retry 2149622 to 2149623
63.78s: read sectors failed, sense 3:11:5
63.78s: tries 0 retry 2149622 to 2149623
63.78s: read error 2149622 to 2149623, max 3516415, io->read_error 0
63.78s: Reading sector 2149622 failed, final 3516415
74.92s: read sectors failed, sense 3:11:5
74.92s: tries 2 retry 2384861 to 2384862
83.42s: read sectors failed, sense 3:11:5
83.42s: tries 1 retry 2384861 to 2384862
91.91s: read sectors failed, sense 3:11:5
91.91s: tries 0 retry 2384861 to 2384862
91.91s: read error 2384861 to 2384862, max 3516415, io->read_error 0
91.91s: Reading sector 2384861 failed, final 3516415
100.55s: read sectors failed, sense 3:11:5
100.55s: tries 2 retry 2621627 to 2621628
108.97s: read sectors failed, sense 3:11:5
108.97s: tries 1 retry 2621627 to 2621628
117.80s: read sectors failed, sense 3:11:5
117.80s: tries 0 retry 2621627 to 2621628
117.80s: read error 2621627 to 2621628, max 3516415, io->read_error 0
117.80s: Reading sector 2621627 failed, final 3516415
126.45s: read sectors failed, sense 3:11:5
126.45s: tries 2 retry 2856143 to 2856144
135.09s: read sectors failed, sense 3:11:5
135.09s: tries 1 retry 2856143 to 2856144
143.67s: read sectors failed, sense 3:11:5
143.67s: tries 0 retry 2856143 to 2856144
143.67s: read error 2856143 to 2856144, max 3516415, io->read_error 0
143.67s: Reading sector 2856143 failed, final 3516415

 

[coopervid]

You could try tools like ddrescue or dvdisaster with AnyDVD running in the background. These tools try to read many, many times and don't give up easily but be warned - it takes forever!

And did you try the cleaning?

 

[David1999]

It seems to work just fine if i play the DVD using PowerDVD? I can select an episode from the menu and it plays - even when I spit ahead.

Additionally, I am able to copy the first 3 VOB files. Any other VOBs after that it does not read. Those 3 VOBs must make up that "50%" before AnyDVD gives up evading it.

 

[David1999]

You could try tools like ddrescue or dvdisaster with AnyDVD running in the background. These tools try to read many, many times and don't give up easily but be warned - it takes forever!

And did you try the cleaning?

Yes but cleaning them probably put scratches on it where there were none to begin with.

 

[David1999]

The last line of the AnyDVD status screen says the issue:

Alright... but how to fix it?

 

[DeepSpace]

Alright... but how to fix it?

The only thing you can try is to clean the disc (not sure if you already did) and the drive's laser. Otherwise I think there is no way to get around it even if the disc looks perfectly clean there can be errors.

 

[coopervid]

The only thing you can try is to clean the disc (not sure if you already did) and the drive's laser. Otherwise I think there is no way to get around it even if the disc looks perfectly clean there can be errors.

What he says...Your only choice or return them and get a new set. There might be mastering / manufacturing errors on these discs. Cleaning with soap and microfiber cloth do not make any damages.

 

[RedFox 1]

Yes but cleaning them probably put scratches on it where there were none to begin with.

I have done it thousands of times and it's solved my issues, just be gentle, I use dish soap and a microfiber towel.

 

[JCMaedl]

Since the OP maintains the disc is playable across several drives but not rippable on any of them, I offer the following about error correction. Apologies for the length.

When you rip a disc, you are doing a data read. Even with a perfect disc without damage, read errors are constantly occurring and being corrected. On a DVD, there is a 3D parity scheme for reading and correcting that is pretty robust, and it can handle contaminants and scratches pretty well. However if the damage is too severe, or if there is a mastering data error or physical formation flaw (for example malformed pits or lands, incorrectly formed spiral track, or poor metalization), the correction scheme becomes unable to function, and you will get uncorrectable data read errors. For copying purposes, no uncorrectable errors can exist, and if encountered, copying will abort after a certain number of attempts. You may be able to force the drive to attempt more reads through jamming on "Retry" and it might work, but usually the errors are critical.

However, while simply watching, errors are not as critical because there is no destination file that needs to be an exact match to what is being read, so reading is allowed to continue. If the damage is severe, you may see fits or starts, or skipping over entire parts of video or jumping around, but playback probably won't fully abort.

You may still be able to watch a disc with uncorrectable read errors without visible playback issues, because the MPEG Tansport Stream also has buffering error correction. If the read error is not severe enough to cause a skip, the Stream buffer may be able to use information outside of the flawed area to maintain playback. If it is able to use previously read data or can read enough forward data for reconstruction or compensation, you won't see a playback problem. If it can't, you will typically see some sort of artifact like blockiness, frame drops or audio loss rather than a full skip or jump, again without playback being aborted.

In short, even though you might be able to watch, ripping a disc with uncorrectable data errors won't be possible.

I also offer the following regarding cleaning discs:

Disc playback failure is either the result of diffusion or deflection of the laser, or physical damage to the pits and lands, metal layer, or spiral track. If the problem is the laser, cleaning/polishing could help, otherwise there's nothing you can do.

Rubbing alcohol is a good choice for cleaning because there is less chance of leaving residue. If you have to use anything else for greasy or stubborn contamination, give a wipe with alcohol after.

Make sure when you clean your discs you are wiping from center to edge. The data is in a spiral like a record and a scratch running parallel to or directly along the track is far less correctable.

You mentioned you created scratches during cleaning. Use as little force as you can, and watch for damage on the top of the disc. Depending on the manufacturing process, the label side is more vulnerable than the underside because is it only protected by lacquer. Discs without a screen printed label are particularly vulnerable.