backing up audio books

Discussion in 'CloneCD' started by mystelite, Sep 11, 2007.

  1. mystelite

    mystelite Member

    Does anyone here have any experience backing up audio books? I am using CloneCD and AnyDVD. I am selecting "copy disc" and have tried both "Copy on the Fly" and coping to hard drive and then writing the disc. I am also selecting "Audio CD". AnyDVD indicates everything reads correctly after it scans the disc but most of my backups seem to skip and stutter on the last track of the disc. When I play the original disc there is no problem with tracks. I am currently using TDK media. Is this an encryption problem? I wanted to backup my audiobooks for travel. They are so expensive that I feel better carrying a backup vs the original. Can anyone help?
  2. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    That's your problem.

    1. Update your burner's firmware (if available)

    2. Use good quality media

    Maxell Pro CD-Rs (these are Taiyo Yudens with a protective coating)
    Verbatim DatalifePlus CD-Rs
    Taiyo Yuden

    3. Try lowering your burn speed slightly

    4. Avoid sticker labels (they tend to cause problems)

    5. Download Nero cd-dvd speed. It's a free program. Select the tab labeled "scandisc". Insert the problematic backup disc, select the appropriate drive letter, and click "start". If Nero cd-dvd speed reports read errors, your backup is bad (which is the most likely case), your optical drive may be slowly dying, or your optical drive simply doesn't like the disc (or your choice of blank media)--even if the disc looks fine.

    Bad burn quality is notorious around the end of poor quality blank media
  3. mystelite

    mystelite Member

    Thanks I'll check some of this out. I am burning at 6x speed. Usually I burn at half the rated speed of the media I am using but I had lowered it slightly hoping it would help. As far as I know my burner firmware is up to date but I will re-check it. I don't have any labels on my discs at this time. I was playing and checking them before that step. I'll try the nero program and I also have vso inspector. Haven't had an opportunity to check discs in another player or to clean the lens of the ones I have but want to give that a try also.
  4. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Based on what you have written, I would simply switch blank media then. Regular Maxell is easy to find--and should be avoided. The Pros will not be as easy to find (and are very good).


    Maxell Pro CD-Rs (these are Taiyo Yudens with a protective coating)
    Verbatim DatalifePlus CD-Rs
    Taiyo Yuden
  5. mystelite

    mystelite Member

    what media is Taiyo Yuden? Is it put out under a different brand name? I have seen it reccommended several times but it is not a media I find in stores. For instance I know that Imation manufactors Office Depot's brand of media (or so they tell me) and of course you can always find Verbatium, Memorex, Imation, Maxell etc. But I have never seen Taiyo Yuden anywhere.
  6. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator
  7. mystelite

    mystelite Member

    Doesn't like Verbatim

    New one for me at least...It seems that my burner doesn't like Verbatim media. Trying to back up some of my audio books (see earlier posting). My TDK media was skipping on the last 2-3 tracks. Per advice I bought Verbatim media. When I start CloneCd it won't go past "waiting for LITE-ON DVDRW SHM-165P6S MS0R' and then gives the error tone. No problems with other media. Any ideas? I have 200 blank discs and am gonna be really upset if I can't fix this problem.
  8. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    What blank media are you using? Specify a) brand name b)type (-R, +R, -RW, +RW, RAM, DL, etc.) c)media code, d) capacity/size, e) batch codes/serial codes (often found printed on the inner plastic hub of the blank disc), and f)country (factory information would be great as well, if possible) where the media was made (look on the physical packaging; do not rely on programs to accurately give you this information).

    If you don't know how to obtain media codes, you may find the following programs useful: and
  9. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    1) i. For XP with ide burners
    Click this

    Do what it says to do if you have XP and an ide burner/optical drive.

    ii. For Vista with ide burners

    Go into device manager, and check to ensure you're using standard Microsoft ide busmaster drivers.

    Right click on your PCI IDE Bus Master controller, and remove it. Ensure that it also removes the driver for your DVD/CD rom. Reboot. Your system should find hardware. After your system is finished installing hardware, reboot again.

    click to get a better idea of what I'm asking for if you're using Vista.

    2. a) Download imgburn. It's a free program:
    (it's also an excellent program imo)

    b) Go to Tools > Filter Driver Load Order. Click "Clipboard". Then paste the information you pasted into your clipboard into your next post (ctrl-v).


    visit (thanks to Zebadee)
    Use one of the programs mentioned, and list your Lowerfilters and Upperfilters in your next post.

    Or for XP users only,
    Click Start, Run
    type regedit
    Go to
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Current Control Set\Control\Class\{4D36E965-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}

    We want what's listed in "LowerFilters" and "UpperFilters". List your Lowerfilters and Upperfilters in your next post.

    Before you do this visit, and read the first post please, so you can get a better understanding of what is going on.

    Do not start randomly deleting filters, please.

    3. Ensure you're using beta: click
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2007
  10. mystelite

    mystelite Member

    Webslinger I'm kind of lost with all the info you gave me...I am using Verbatim CD-r...seems to be manufactured in India..I can't seem to locate codes you asked me for..I downloaded and ran DVD identifier and it told me "unsupported media found". Is that because I am having it scan a CD instead of a DVD?..Kind of nervous about proceding with your other suggestions in case I really screw something up. The version of CloneCD that I am running is When I check for an update it tells me I am running the current version but you said something about running beta How do I get that version?
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2007
  11. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    I specifically stated DatalifePlus. You didn't buy Datalifeplus, right (the plus is important)?

    Use Nero cd-dvd speed: click

    Install. Run. Select the proper drive. Click the "disc info" tab.

    Posting your filters won't mess anything up (step 2).
  12. mystelite

    mystelite Member did say Datalife Plus and that isn't what I have...will try your other suggestions and get back to you..
  13. mystelite

    mystelite Member

    Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
    Basic Information
    Disc type: : CD-R
    Manufacturer: : Moser Baer
    MID : 97m17s06f
    Write speeds: : 8 X - 16 X - 24 X - 32 X - 40 X - 48 X
    Capacity: : 79:59.74
    : 703 MB
    Extended Information
    Usage : General
    Disc Status : Empty
    Raw Data
    0000 - D0 00 A0 00 61 11 06 00 4F 3B 4A 00 00 00 80 00 - ....a...O;J.....
    0010 - 00 80 00 00 00 80 80 00 - ........
  14. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Try the other suggestions first . . .

    Also you may want to ensure you have the latest firmware update for your burner: click

    This may be a firmware issue. It's also possible your burner is slowly dying.

    But I tend not to like Verbatims that are made in India (in general).
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2007
  15. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Yeah, I'm not a fan of Moser Baer made blank media (even if it's sold under Verbatim's name).
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2007
  16. mystelite

    mystelite Member

    here is the filter info

    Filter Driver Load Order

    Upper Device Filter: redbook
    Device Object: LITE-ON DVDRW SHM-165P6S
    Lower Class Filter: PxHelp20
    Lower Class Filter: ElbyCDFL
    Lower Class Filter: ElbyDelay
    Lower Class Filter: AnyDVD
    Lower Device Filter: imapi

    Driver Name: redbook.sys
    File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers
    File Description: Redbook Audio Filter Driver
    File Version: 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) [5.1.2600.2180]
    Product Name: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
    Product Version: 5.1.2600.2180 [5.1.2600.2180]
    Company Name: Microsoft Corporation

    Driver Name: pxhelp20.sys
    File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers
    File Description: Px Engine Device Driver for Windows 2000/XP
    File Version: 2.03.18a []
    Product Name: PxHelp20
    Product Version: []
    Company Name: Sonic Solutions

    Driver Name: elbycdfl.sys
    File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers
    File Description: ElbyCDIO Filter Driver
    File Version: 5, 2, 1, 3 []
    Product Name: CloneCD
    Product Version: 5, 2, 1, 3 []
    Company Name: SlySoft, Inc.

    Driver Name: elbydelay.sys
    File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers
    File Description: Elby Delay Lower Filter Driver
    File Version: 5, 1, 0, 1 []
    Product Name: CDRTools
    Product Version: 5, 1, 0, 1 []
    Company Name: Elaborate Bytes AG

    Driver Name: anydvd.sys
    File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers
    File Description: AnyDVD Filter Driver
    File Version: []
    Product Name: AnyDVD
    Product Version: []
    Company Name: SlySoft, Inc.

    Driver Name: imapi.sys
    File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers
    File Description: IMAPI Kernel Driver
    File Version: 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) [5.1.2600.2180]
    Product Name: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
    Product Version: 5.1.2600.2180 [5.1.2600.2180]
    Company Name: Microsoft Corporation
  17. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    Ok, your filters look fine.

    1. As I posted earlier, I'd check to ensure (if you're using an ide burner--and not a sata burner) you're using standard/Microsoft ide busmaster drivers.

    2. Check for an updated firmware for your burner.

    And other than that, there's either a compatibility issue between that blank media you're using and your burner--or there's a chance your burner is slowly dying.

    I'm otherwise out of ideas, unfortunately. Unless the original disc is copyprotected in some manner . . . yeah, I'm out of ideas.
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2007
  18. mystelite

    mystelite Member

    must be a compatability issue because I found some Memorex discs that I had and stuck one in just to see..Ran with no problems...I want to try the discs on a friends computer with a different burner just to see what happens. Thanks for all your help
  19. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    While I don't have any further suggestions at this time, I would like to know what the full error message is in Clonecd please.
  20. Webslinger

    Webslinger Retired Moderator

    O.k., just, in general, if my burner only worked with inferior quality blank media (which Memorex tends to be) instead of Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim Datalife Plus (the Plus is important), then I would be extremely unhappy with my choice of burners as burn quality and longevity of the blank media I use are important to me.

    Firmware updates can sometimes improve or offer increased compatibility with a larger variety of blank media, which is why I do suggest looking for a firmware update if one is available.
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2007