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Hi guys - just an update for those looking for a BH16NS55 - I got one off Amazon UK, delivered today. Its the retail version because thats all they had. Looks like it has the 1.03 firmware on it, so I'm just gonna use the posted method to downgrade it.
 
theosch said:
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https://www.techhive.com/article/28...consumers-more-than-pirates-meet-hdcp-22.html
Heren they say s.th.:
"In order to watch copy-protected Ultra HD content--be it on a disc, a download, or via an over-the-top stream—you’ll need HDCP 2.2 compatible devices at every link in the signal chain. Because this isn’t just about media players and TVs; it applies to any component with an HDMI connection."
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I know there are small HDMI adapters that can transform HDCP 2.2 signals to HDCP 2.1? (or 2.0). This can then be processed further for decryption etc.. or s.th. else like that.

What about UHD? When you have a UHD friendly drive and AnyDVD knows the decryption key you can make a decrypted backup.
But the HDCP 2.2 itself is not removed?
Converting the main movie from decrypted BD-UHDs ISOs to mkv with CloneBD is this bypassing HDCP 2.2 in some way?
And maybe UHD-friendly still don't have new HDCP 2.2 /not fully implemented?
Well I'd guess HDCP 2.2 is still problematic,James said s.th. about pity with UHDs, so I'd guess you still need a HDCP 2.2 kompatible hardware like Kaby-Lake CPU etc. and a HDCP 2.2 compatible monitor/TV (at least) for AACS-2.0-decrypted ISOs, but this is not needed, when converted to mkv, as James recommended?

(Well it's not so specific what the issue is for UHD playback, maybe it's meant to play from a decrpyted UHD that it just needs a fast CPU/GPU, or with a specialised HEVC (h.265) hardware decoder built in.)
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Well, I could write a book on my experiences over the past few hours on UHD playback on a PC. Safe to say this is an unnecessarily complex, rule bound new technology which the manufacturers could not have made any more difficult if they had set out with that as their goal. Most of it isn't needed technically but is part of the aim of the "powers that be" to get us off owning anything so that we must rent or pay for everything as we use it and we will not own anything that they want to rent to us culminating , eventually, in us paying per mile for electric cars and for the air that we breathe. Anyway.

There is a lot of conflicting information on this topic across the net. For example ppl stating confidently that a 1080 is HDCP 2.2 compliant to others saying that although the card can do it, the card drivers currently don't. Cyberlink Ultra Blueray advisor tells me my card does NOT support HDCP 2.2, and I do not have "An advanced Protected Audio/Video path (GPU)" or "Intel SGX technology" on my motherboard. OK

The long and the short of it seems to be that if you want to play an Ultra Bluray from an MKV file or playing the MTS2 file directly that has been ripped from a disc and the protection removed then you are fine in MPC or powerdvd, as others have rightly said it doesn't care about all the compliance stuff. (proving that all these hoops are just there to make it difficult). However, if , like me, you want to play UTLRA Bluray backups like I currently play normal Blurays, on my HTPC, ripped as an ISO, with full menus, extras etc, then I believe that PowerDVD 17 is the ONLY way to achieve that via a decrypted backup, and Powerdvd insists on all that protection compliance nonsense or it will not play them. Powerdvd by the way tries to install extra Ultra components when you first play an Ultra DVD but it just hangs indefinitely saying it is installing. Great programming there lads.

My hope that by decrypting the backup I wouldn't need all that stuff (means a new PC) have been dashed (unless I just want MKV) and I will probably stick with Blurays. (Nice marketing job "powers that be")

Unless anybody knows differently.
 
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tgp7777777 said:
Well, I could write a book on my experiences over the past few hours on UHD playback on a PC. Safe to say this is an unnecessarily complex, rule bound new technology which the manufactures could not have made any more difficult if they had set out with that as their goal. Most of it isn't needed technically but is part of the aim of the "powers that be" to get us off owning anything so that we must rent or pay for everything as we use it and we will not own anything that they want to rent to us culminating , eventually, in us paying per mile for electric cars and for the air that we breathe. Anyway.

There is a lot of conflicting information on this topic across the net. For example ppl stating confidently that a 1080 is HDCP 2.2 compliant to others saying that although the card can do it, the card drivers currently don't. Cyberlink Ultra Blueray advisor tells me my card does NOT support HDCP 2.2, and I do not have "An advanced Protected Audio/Video path (GPU)" or "Intel SGX technology" on my motherboard. OK

The long and the short of it seems to be that if you want to play an Ultra Bluray from an MKV file or playing the MTS2 file directly that has been ripped from a disc and the protection removed then you are fine in MPC or powerdvd, as others have rightly said it doesn't care about all the compliance stuff. (proving that all these hoops are just there to make it difficult). However, if , like me, you want to play UTLRA Bluray backups like I currently play normal Blurays, on my HTPC, ripped as an ISO, with full menus, extras etc, then I believe that PowerDVD 17 is the ONLY way to achieve that via a decrypted backup, and Powerdvd insists on all that protection compliance nonsense or it will not play them. Powerdvd by the way tries to install extra Ultra components when you first play an Ultra DVD but it just hangs indefinitely saying it is installing. Great programming there lads.

My hope that by decrypting the backup I wouldn't need all that stuff (means a new PC) have been dashed (unless I just want MKV) and I will probably stick with Blurays. (Nice marketing job "powers that be")

Unless anybody knows differently.
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Kodi, at least according to this post from about six months ago, can properly parse and play the correct m2ts stream from UHD Blu-rays. But as you say, full-fledged menu support remains a work-in-progress. That remains the case for standard Blu-rays for MPC-HC, Kodi (current release) and several other freeware offerings for some time: basic playback of the main titleset without menus at best. Even today after all these years, only Kodi 18 (still in beta) and VLC and a select few other freeware offerings actually support Blu-ray menus.
 
I just ordered an ASUS drive, and this is what I see in dmesg (Linux) when I plugged it in:

[599616.950385] ata4: hard resetting link
[599617.673025] ata4: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
[599617.677662] ata4.00: ATAPI: ASUS BW-16D1HT, 3.00, max UDMA/133
[599617.717761] ata4.00: configured for UDMA/133
[599617.777699] ata4: EH complete
[599617.817774] scsi 3:0:0:0: CD-ROM ASUS BW-16D1HT 3.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
[599617.918278] sr 3:0:0:0: [sr0] scsi3-mmc drive: 0x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
[599617.918443] sr 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0
[599617.918648] sr 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 5

Looks like I've got firmware version 3.00, so I'm good to go, right? If so, I'll order a couple of UHD discs to test it out.
 
Awesome news, thanks very much James, very happy lifetime license owner here! :)

Quick question: Will AnyDVD HD be able to automatically decrypt any UHD BD I can throw at it? Or will it be more like DeUHD, where the DeUHD team needs to manually add support for every single disc?
 
Turtleggjp said:
I just ordered an ASUS drive, and this is what I see in dmesg (Linux) when I plugged it in:

[599616.950385] ata4: hard resetting link
[599617.673025] ata4: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
[599617.677662] ata4.00: ATAPI: ASUS BW-16D1HT, 3.00, max UDMA/133
[599617.717761] ata4.00: configured for UDMA/133
[599617.777699] ata4: EH complete
[599617.817774] scsi 3:0:0:0: CD-ROM ASUS BW-16D1HT 3.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
[599617.918278] sr 3:0:0:0: [sr0] scsi3-mmc drive: 0x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
[599617.918443] sr 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0
[599617.918648] sr 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 5

Looks like I've got firmware version 3.00, so I'm good to go, right? If so, I'll order a couple of UHD discs to test it out.
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Yes you're good to go. No need to touch the firmware but if you do, make SURE you don't go beyond 3.02.
 
seeya said:
Awesome news, thanks very much James, very happy lifetime license owner here! :)

Quick question: Will AnyDVD HD be able to automatically decrypt any UHD BD I can throw at it? Or will it be more like DeUHD, where the DeUHD team needs to manually add support for every single disc?
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As long as you have a UHD friendly drive and a license, you will see UHD support working just like blu-ray support.
 
Wow, that's fantastic! How come the redfox devs can make it work that way, while the DeUHD devs need to manually add support for each disc?
 
SamuriHL said:
As long as you have a UHD friendly drive and a license, you will see UHD support working just like blu-ray support.
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Redfox will still need to add each specific key to the OPD database, no?
 
Just out of interest can someone confirm how i check the firmware level of my drive under win 10?
 
bipolarbear said:
Just out of interest can someone confirm how i check the firmware level of my drive under win 10?
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Device manager, properties, details, Hardware IDs top line should be firmware. Also Anydvd under drive status I believe.
 
tgp7777777 said:
Redfox will still need to add each specific key to the OPD database, no?
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It's done automagically when you insert the disc. :) Just like on blu-ray. The first person to scan a new disc gets the relevant information out to RedFox so the key can be added. It's not something you have to "wait for them" for. It just happens.
 
SamuriHL said:
It's done automagically when you insert the disc. :) Just like on blu-ray. The first person to scan a new disc gets the relevant information out to RedFox so the key can be added. It's not something you have to "wait for them" for. It just happens.
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Oh OK , thanks for the clarification.
 
tgp7777777 said:
Device manager, properties, details, Hardware IDs top line should be firmware. Also Anydvd under drive status I believe.
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That's for Windows 10, other Windows versions the property might be called "Device Instance Path"
 
SamuriHL said:
Yes you're good to go. No need to touch the firmware but if you do, make SURE you don't go beyond 3.02.
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Awesome! I may go ahead and buy a second drive, just in case, before it is too late. I'm also interested to see if my laptop (Ivy Bridge) drive can read UHD Blu Rays, since ImgBurn reports it as a "BD-RE XL" drive (MATSHITA BD-MLT UJ260 1.00)
 
Looks like i'm good to go. Neighbour picked parcel up at PO today. Just picked it up at his place. Retail version BUT most importanly: HL-DT-ST BD-REBH16NS55 1.02

No messing with downgrading!
 
tgp7777777 said:
That's for Windows 10, other Windows versions the property might be called "Device Instance Path"
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Or you just check in the AnyDVD status window. The line with the drive model next to it contains your firmware version (like my post above)
 
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