A question to Slysoft team

[bingobill]

I saw this on an AV forum, are willing to deny or confirm this accusation ?

Please do not compliment AnyDVD HD. They took the freely available and public code from the Doom9 forum and stole it for use in a commercial product.

I would like to believe this is not the case but I really don't know.

 

[cgb]

I don't think Slysoft used this code, but even if they did: so what? The message clearly states "freely available and public code" and claims in the next half-sentence that they "stole it". I don't see how you can steal what's freely available and public and I don't see the Doom9-forum coming up with a tool that does the same job AnyDVD does. If they don't want their code to be used they should keep it secret and release their own tool commercially. But once you say something is free and public you can't whine about others making money from it, even if it's just a front-end for the code. That being said, I still don't believe that this is the case here and AnyDVD offers much more than just simple decryption.

 

[James]

I saw this on an AV forum, are willing to deny or confirm this accusation ?



I would like to believe this is not the case but I really don't know.

It is a lie. We develop AnyDVD completely independant. And I believe we are many steps ahead of the freeware tools. We knew about the oh so secret "processing key" weeks before the Doom9 folks.
Another example: Do you know a freeware tool able to remove blu-ray region code? No? Me neither. AnyDVD does.

EDIT: I have read a lot of times that AnyDVD uses stolen code. Not only is this a lie, it really hurts. Yes, we did this all on our own. Really.
EDIT2: It hurts, because we are quite proud on what we achieved. Peer did 90% of the work all on his own, without a "community" helping him. He has every right to be proud and he deserves a little more respect.

 

[bingobill]

James, thanks for clearing that up. I was tempted to reply to the poster of that accusation but was unsure of the facts, although from reading posts from you and and others here I was always led to believe it was your own work.

Thanks again.

 

[Fahzuu]

James, thanks for clearing that up. I was tempted to reply to the poster of that accusation but was unsure of the facts, although from reading posts from you and and others here I was always led to believe it was your own work.

Thanks again.

Do you have a link to that post?

 

[bingobill]

Do you have a link to that post?

Sure you can find it HERE

 

[bingobill]

I'm afraid I got into a bit of an argument with that same poster but find myself technically out of my depth to continue.

The Doom9 forum has the tools to allow copying Blu-ray and HD-DVD, thereby removing region encoding as well.

 

[James]

I'm afraid I got into a bit of an argument with that same poster but find myself technically out of my depth to continue.

I am not aware of any other software removing Blu-ray region code. This post at doom9 pretty much says it:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=990624#post990624

Well they did use host certificates long before anyone here did, didn't they?

Yes, we did.

And they were using the processing key before it showed up on doom9, didn't they?

Yes, we did.

And they are removing BD region codes, which still nobody has achieved here yet, aren't they?

Yes, as far as I am aware of.

We started with AnyDVD HD *before* muslix64 released his hack. I don't want to discredit the achievements made by the folks at doom9 (arnezami seems to be a very bright guy). But we are pretty good on our own, too.

 

[Peer]

I'm afraid I got into a bit of an argument with that same poster but find myself technically out of my depth to continue.

Well, thanks for stepping up.
I left a note there myself.

This talk can really get me steaming.
We actually made sure to release AnyDVD HD before the community got as far as we did, simply in order to prevent exactly that from happening. We didn't want people concluding that we only commercialise other peoples work.

If doom9.org wouldn't have started uncovering all that information, we would have waited a while longer with our release (but then again, our users kept banging the door and wanted AnyDVD HD out, so that was hard to ignore as well ).

EDIT: to clarify, why we wanted to wait longer: we figured, the market was way too small yet, to start the whole excitement that breaking AACS has caused now. But sales have sort of proven us wrong - there is a comparedly tremendous demand for AnyDVD HD.
So thank you folks for appreciating us!

 

[SamuriHL]

I've been watching the threads on doom9 speculating on how AnyDVD HD works with great interest. I don't think they're up on all your tricks just yet. However, I know I certainly appreciate the incredible hard work and dedication you guys put into your products. It shows. To suggest that you stole someone else's work is ridiculous. I'd love to see someone come up with a product like AnyDVD HD...however, I really don't expect that to happen any time soon. You guys are always one step ahead which is truly awesome. Keep up the good work and don't let the naysayers get you down.

 

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

I agree with SamuriHL. The work you guys have done is truly amazing. You've created a complex program that does so much yet at the same time it's so easy to use that it's insane. It's hard to ask for anything more [but I'm sure we will keep on doing it anyway].

I find it sadly childish at the way some people have acted. Is it sour grapes? I really don't know but it sure seems to me that some people just can't handle the fact that someone other than them had the intelligence do Slysoft has done.

I also find it humorous to see the people speculate on how AnyDVD HD works. I mean, I thought AnyDVD HD used the stuff from Doom9. So... wait... shouldn't they already know how it works?!

 

[SamuriHL]

I think what threw them all for a loop for a bit was the fact that AnyDVD HD was able to decrypt a mounted ISO image from a PS3 BR rip. They went "uh, WHAT?!" I don't want to continue speculation of how AnyDVD HD works its magic, as really I don't much care as long as it works, but, they came to the conclusion that AnyDVD HD is using some kind of an internal key database as a fallback when "normal" decryption fails. "Normal" decryption would fail in the case of a mounted ISO as some information wouldn't be available. I don't know how valid the fallback key database claim is or not, nor do I really care, but, it's humorous to watch the speculation.

 

[James]

I agree with SamuriHL. The work you guys have done is truly amazing. You've created a complex program that does so much yet at the same time it's so easy to use that it's insane. It's hard to ask for anything more [but I'm sure we will keep on doing it anyway].

I find it sadly childish at the way some people have acted. Is it sour grapes? I really don't know but it sure seems to me that some people just can't handle the fact that someone other than them had the intelligence do Slysoft has done.

I also find it humorous to see the people speculate on how AnyDVD HD works. I mean, I thought AnyDVD HD used the stuff from Doom9. So... wait... shouldn't they already know how it works?!

The "intelligent" people at doom9 know that AnyDVD HD isn't based on open source code and keys. Only idiots think "they used our code" or "they use our processing key" or "they use our Volume Key database".
I can only smile about that, and say "no, we don't" and "thank you, but we don't need it".

 

[SamuriHL]

There are some very interesting hacks on doom9 doing some magic with the XBOX360 HD drive firmware (but they originated at xboxhacker.net, if I am not mistaken). These are really impressive, and we might use those internally in the lab.

HAHAHAHA! NICE!!

 

[bingobill]

Well, thanks for stepping up.

Nay problem

If people make accustions like that they need to be able to back it up with facts. That guy just dug a deeper and deeper hole for himself.

AnyDVD does what it says on the tin, what more can anyone ask of any product.

Maybe just as well this is all out in the open.

 

[Peer]

That guy just dug a deeper and deeper hole for himself.

Yeah, that was kinda fun to watch, wasn't it?
If anyone of you is old enough to remember an ancient computer game called "Space Panic" - that's an appropriate image...

 

[zebadee]

Yeah, that was kinda fun to watch, wasn't it?
If anyone of you is old enough to remember an ancient computer game called "Space Panic" - that's an appropriate image...

Hi
What do you mean 'ancient computer game', it's my latest!
Cheers (Souilsurvivor)

 

[interesting]

Hi Peer,
per James, "Peer did 90% of the work all on his own, without a "community" helping him. He has every right to be proud and he deserves a little more respect."

You deserve a lot of praise but 90% is too much job security.

 

[Peer]

You deserve a lot of praise but 90% is too much job security.

you need a plan to keep your job these days.

 

[Peer]

That guy just dug a deeper and deeper hole for himself.

Seems he dug so deep, the whole thread fell through.
It's gone...