A few thoughts about piracy

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Peer, Mar 1, 2016.

  1. quatermass

    quatermass Member

    Actually VHS tapes had Macrovision which was a 'kind of DRM'. It was a system that distorts the timing pulse at the start of each line. TVs ignore this section of video when playing. But video recorders used it to record. So that it was very, very hard to copy the video. Indeed the Macrovision people even managed to get JVC to fiddle with the VHS standard so it worked even better at protection.

    Trouble as always, if you happened to have a TV that was sensitive to Macrovision, your rented or bought movie waved and spluttered in shades of brightness! Back then you could order a replacement which had no Macrovision on it by contacting the movie distributor.

    IIRC Alien was the 1st VHS commercial film to use it in the Eighties and of course Star Wars: A New Hope. Both costed around £70 each....!

    Various TV broadcasters use it (to this day) to prevent the copying of their programmes by video recorders.
    IIRC Betamax and V2000 ignored the Macrovision protection.

    Various public electronic magazines had projects that you could build that bypassed it. In time, these became widely available as assembled units.
     
  2. quibid

    quibid New Member

    I agree completely with 'Peer' comments and particularly regarding playability of movie products. Issues that are not addresed by AACC etc are instances of poor quality media used by by top brand names where after a period you have to ditch a well loved movie and then try and find a replacement somewhere. That often results in poorer quality copies which may suffer region restrictions on equipment that we take for granted can play anything and cannot. Replacement movies found on the Net inmnay cases come from sourcers that do not identify the region for which the media has been burnt. AnyDVD could at least simply work around that which IS NOT PIRACY by any objective definition anywhere on the planet. We buy each product for its 'advertised' use and in many cases find restrictions which amount more to a breach of contract by the brand owner. Media playing Equipment available throughout the world in so many cases can be found to have limitations in which neither the media source or player have compatibility and a major key of incompatibility is the limitations burnt into the media by the producer. ANd that incompatibility can be easily worked around given the right process to do it with and absolutely NO PIRACY occurs. It is probably about time that a class actions was commenced against the product manufacturers specifically targetting what they deny their customers. Piracy as indicated is an individual action by a few. But in this instance Slysoft is being hammered for something that it is not a party to. Consdier if someone buys a car and then races around dangerously should every other car owner be prohibited in what they can buy or use their car for. Bit like the gun lobby situation in some ways but here the restrictions are purely aimed at protection of profit and not prevention by those responsible for the actual crime. Slyfox had my support for many ytears and with their help I managed to work around manufacturer restrictions that prevented me from enjoying what I truly bought. I had always been able to put my copy where 'I' or my family could watch it in the privacy of our home. Although the name is now Redfox the guys have my full and continuing support. Make those greedy mothers sit back and take notice...
     
  3. YaniD

    YaniD Well-Known Member

    I believe both file sharing and pirating (two different things but with similar end results) arose as a reaction to the monopoly that has become the distribution arm of the entertainment industry: I don't believe it is a culture "for free" at all (although in the real world there are always minority elements that want something for nothing). The free market system is based on competition: something you can't have when you implement region coding and other market manipulations through restrictive copyright rules. A backlash to introduce a form of competition was inevitable in the marketplace and here we are. The studios have simply been demanding too high a "price" for their products without allowing the consumer any influence within a competitive market. However, when the consumer votes with their wallet and sales inevitably drop, the studios complain it is copyright infringement when it is really the consumer applying the only real power they have left, so the studios escalate the situation into a copyright violation with high damages to recover the profit they erroneously think they should be receiving. The real failing of copyright was in not setting a limit on reasonable profit and devolving non-profitable works back to public domain.

    IMO, the fundamental issue is the ethics of profiting from any creation in-perpetuity, when the costs of that creation and a reasonable profit are already returned. In a sense, I think that is also the situation with AnyDVD HD. Surely the costs of development have already been paid for by LTL and subscriptions already (I mean haven't the developers been paid progressively for their effort?). The only thing remaining now is maintenance and IMO that should be devolved to the community. For individuals to want to continue to profit from AnyDVD HD is the same as the studios wanting to profit in-perpetuity from their once-off creation costs and it's unethical IMO.

    I think RedFox should concentrate on developing other products for which fees can be ethically charged, but I don't believe AnyDVD HD should be amongst them.

    Slysoft has always been very coy about how much effort goes into the maintenance of AnyDVD HD, so if I have misunderstood the situation I would appreciate being corrected.
     
  4. OLDieButGOODie

    OLDieButGOODie Well-Known Member

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  5. sondeterra

    sondeterra Well-Known Member

    According to the DMCA (whose congressional hearings I actually watched on CSPAN) it is legal to make a copy, it is illegal to break any encryption.
     
  6. OLDieButGOODie

    OLDieButGOODie Well-Known Member

    But if all disks have some form of 'encryption' how was it legal in the first place?
    You usually need to 'break' the encryption to make the copy..!
     
  7. sondeterra

    sondeterra Well-Known Member

    AHA catch 22, it is legal to purchase and own AnyDVD but it is illegal to use it.
     
  8. OLDieButGOODie

    OLDieButGOODie Well-Known Member

    WOW...!

    Wait...that law actually doesn't make sense in that case.
    They say a backup copy is OK to make, but when they say that they also know the encryption needs to be 'ignored'.

    Which means they lied about making a law that protects the legit consumer being allowed to make a legal copy.
    ( not a catch 22, but a 'got-ya' ...with a Ha-Ha to you, customer )
    It's as if they want the disk to wear-out and not let you have it for as long as you can

    Is there a way to make an exact duplicate without breaking the lock?
    Like the way a CD cloning program does it. (Similar to Blind Write from VSO)
     
  9. sondeterra

    sondeterra Well-Known Member

    Yes, you can make an exact duplicate using Windows but it won't play on anything, because the disc also has on it an identifier embedded in an area not accessible to consumer copiers that lets the player know that it is a legitimate purchased disc.
     
  10. sondeterra

    sondeterra Well-Known Member

    Under the Fair Use doctrine one can make a backup for your own use, but it is not codified in law, just common law.
     
  11. OLDieButGOODie

    OLDieButGOODie Well-Known Member

    Sneaky of them, isn't it? ;)

    Legal 'technicalities' ...don't ya just 'love-em'...!?!:rolleyes:
     
  12. vze2mp9g

    vze2mp9g Well-Known Member

    I guess you never attempted to copy a commercial VHS tape back in the day. If you did, you would have noticed that the copy would start getting real bight, then dark and it would continue through the entire copy. You could bypass this by purchasing a piece of hardware that might correct it, but I just tape the movie or what ever when it came on TV. This is called Macrovision. Here is the link to read more: http://www.mediacollege.com/video/editing/macrovision/
     
  13. FurryGuy

    FurryGuy Well-Known Member

    Macrovision is still used on some DVDs, and that is one of the protection schemes that AnyDVD removes.
     
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  14. Homeworld

    Homeworld Well-Known Member

    Pirates are cheap, allow them to access $10,000 of console games by spending $45 and they'll outright refuse. Most of them are going to download anything that's already posted and available. The pirates that do want something like AnyDVD for piracy purposes will likely pirate AnyDVD too. There's not much point in using this software for piracy other than to remove annoying protections that probably won't exist on a pirated movie anyway.

    It has always been said that if you're the genuine customer, you'll always have far more hassle than a pirate. Back when the original Xbox was available the big thing to gain from hacking it was XBMC. They tried so hard to get Microsoft to release it officially. We've seen the industry limit their console media players to annoy us all. The industry forced Amazon through contracts to remove Kodi from it's own Appstore. They'll just never let us genuine people do what we'd like to do.

    Either someone robs some company/publisher of their income and will have an easy time, or they'll pay fairly and be treated like crap. AnyDVD helps us not be treated like crap whilst being legitimate and because of that, they won't like it whatever it does.
     
  15. FurryGuy

    FurryGuy Well-Known Member

    @Homeworld,

    Go to any torrent site and search for AnyDVD, it has been pirated for years now. Along with all other Slysoft and Elby products.

    Even the interim versions of AnyDVD (7.9.6.1 - 7.9.6.5) are available, along with a pirated license key file.
     
  16. vze2mp9g

    vze2mp9g Well-Known Member

    Okay, if I have a VHS player hooked up to my PC via video decoder (which allows me to turn the VHS signal to a digital file so that I can either watch it on my PC, stream it or burn it to a DVD), AnyDVD will remove the Macrovision? If so, that's great because there is one VHS tape I would love to put on a DVD, it's called, "The Man Who Saw Tomorrow". You cannot even get the VHS tape anymore.
    Thanks.
     
  17. Ch3vr0n

    Ch3vr0n Translator NL & Mod

    No, because anydvd only removes macrovision when used on a DVD. It does not remove it natively from vhs to capture device, it's your capture device that needs to deal with the macrovision, not anydvd.
     
  18. Clams

    Clams Well-Known Member

    PLEASE don't give the MPAA thugs any ideas here!!!! :)

    -W
     
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  19. Clams

    Clams Well-Known Member

    The whole post was great - but this line nailed it.
    -W
     
  20. FurryGuy

    FurryGuy Well-Known Member

    In my slice of reality, US, the cost of one day rental is only from RedBox and is US$1.25 for DVDs. There are no brick and mortar video rental stores any more.

    So it is either buy, rent from Netflix/Redbox or borrow DVDs from the local library.