Ch3vr0n
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@Homeworld how are they doing that? Well they're not going to tell you that now will they. That would tell the pirates exactly what to look for to 'undo' it.
The funny thing about this, is that the term fair use gets thrown around a lot here. But I have been buying dvd's like crazy, for about three months now. Many of these second hand. mostly in very good shape. And a good third of these still have their digital copy code card inserts still in them. Mostly expired, but some of them are still usable. As far as I can tell starting in about 2007 almost every dvd comes with a digital copy code. So not only do the studios want you to have a backed up copy, of your movie, they want you to have one for your pc, one for tablet and one for your phone. All included in the original price of the dvd.
Long time since I replied. No it was more of a rhetorical question back then. I was just thinking about a website that has since been disabled and shut down, they survived by always removing content when a company or dmca request was filed. I'm really interested in piracy (or rather anti-piracy) from a business perspective. I have some free time.... haha.@Homeworld how are they doing that? Well they're not going to tell you that now will they. That would tell the pirates exactly what to look for to 'undo' it.
In the US the courts have upheld the "Fair Use" ruling already for media you own and bought. So as long as it's for your own use then you can do whatever you want. It stops when you use it to profit or make financial gains from it.I have to put my two cents in here........I am a firm believer that when I purchase something, it is MINE to do with as I see fit (legally). When I purchase a motor
vehicle, a piece of electronic gear, some furniture......it is MINE......I feel the same about movies, and other electronic media.....I have the "right" not the privilege
to make copies for myself, as backups, etc......and IF I wish to make a copy for one of my relatives.....the disk is MINE.....I paid for it and NOT for the "privilege"
to view it, etc.
And it doesn't have any DRM or any other protection mechanism's on it that must be circumvented. That's the catch 22 of it all.In the US the courts have upheld the "Fair Use" ruling already for media you own and bought. So as long as it's for your own use then you can do whatever you want. It stops when you use it to profit or make financial gains from it.
I have to put my two cents in here........I am a firm believer that when I purchase something, it is MINE to do with as I see fit (legally). When I purchase a motor
vehicle, a piece of electronic gear, some furniture......it is MINE......I feel the same about movies, and other electronic media.....I have the "right" not the privilege
to make copies for myself, as backups, etc......and IF I wish to make a copy for one of my relatives.....the disk is MINE.....I paid for it and NOT for the "privilege"
to view it, etc.
Which is why many newer games and movies are being released via digital means these days, using either a DRM frontend or direct internet access to determine proper licensing.When you buy a game or a movie, you're not buying the physical disc it's stored on, you're buying access to the 1's and 0's on the disc. The disc is simply the transportation medium, that you use to access those 1's and 0's.
You left out the fact that big name stars demand at least $20 million each which could easily cost over $100 million in salaries alone for the entire cast in occasional productions.The movie industry increases their licensing fees, the movie houses charge more, DVD cost goes up, and an occasional "honest" consumer is made an example of in the court systems.
They should just go for a percentage of the gross.You left out the fact that big name stars demand at least $20 million each which could easily cost over $100 million in salaries alone for the entire cast in occasional productions.
Most times the Big Money Actors get both, a large up-front salary and a percentage.You left out the fact that big name stars demand at least $20 million each which could easily cost over $100 million in salaries alone for the entire cast in occasional productions.
They should just go for a percentage of the gross.
There are many legitimate reasons in copying a movie to hard drives or memory cards but one seldom mentioned is that some disabled folks who may lack dexterity due to paralysis or some other disability can't handle inserting a disk or maybe watching a movie while in bed on a smaller touch-screen enabled screen like a tablet. I am a long time Vietnam era veteran paraplegic and while my hands and arms work fine I'm limited in the amount of "sit-up" time, after 48 years of being a roller, so I might start or end a film like normal on a computer DVD or TV but then use my Shield tablet for the other part of the movie. So AnyDVD and CloneDVD have really helped me with the different options. I also use the tablet to watch movies while travelling since I 'retired' from driving a couple of years ago and have someone else drive which is quite often because I live quite a way from civilization. I would love for the ABCD outfits to come after me for copying disks...We'd have a swell time in court while I proved they were violating my rights to fair use of their product that able-bodied people can use. Maybe they will reimburse me for the cost of these programs...Yeah, sure.So, sorry MPAA, AACS and all you people with the fancy acronyms - we can't help you with the piracy, but since no one is helping us with the movies, we're picking up things ourselves.
Think twice.
I have been an AnydvdHd owner for quite a long time indeed I have 2 licences for 2 machines.I've been scanning through the many, many posts from the recent days and especially one post with a link to some blog entry over at torrentfreak ruined my day a bit. It's not the actual message (for who didn't read it: it's all about the poor pirates, now having no tool for their glorious doings).
After all, torrentfreak is all about file sharing and it's not my place to judge what's right and what's wrong (though I do have a strong personal dislike for piracy).
What I found depressing, was how this places SlySoft next to the pirates and makes it sound as if piracy is what we were doing this for.
Pirates were never the intended audience. If SlySoft could have shaken them off, they would have.
In fact - some people seem to think, that without piracy, SlySoft wouldn't have existed (I'm defining "piracy" here as making copies and mass-distributing them - for money, for shits and giggles, for feeling a bit less like dirt, whatever gets them going).
The exact opposite is true. Pirates only made a very small percentage of the AnyDVD userbase. And - given that they are pirates, it's a valid question whether they were even paying customers.
AnyDVD was created out of the frustration of a few people, who got fed up with the unplayability (yes! that word is fitting!) of DVDs and later on Blu-ray discs.
So, of course, SlySoft could have easily done without the pirates - and had they, SlySoft might even still exist.
It's not that the AACS-LA wouldn't have gone to the same lengths trying - don't mistake them to be fighting piracy, their goal is a more immediate one, which is to justify their existence.
They have this huge money-making machine, collect fees for every BD ever being sold without having to really, well, do much (god, I wish I were the AACS-LA), while promising to protect the discs in return, which effectivly doesn't work - so they have no choice but to fight back.
So that's one reason why they come after SlySoft and not the actual pirates.
The other reason is: it just wouldn't work. Pirates have a higher level of anonymity, and they are also too many. So even if this was (just) about piracy, SlySoft would remain the main target.
Piracy is an issue. You can't deny that it is hurting the movie industry. And you can't deny that we were involuntarily helping piracy. Just like the glass cutter involuntarily helps burglary.
Though you can argue over the numbers. They like to pretend that every single downloaded movie is one sold disc less. Of course that is utter nonsense. A lot of that stuff gets downloaded simply because it's there. At least 99 out of 100 downloads are done by people who wouldn't even consider paying for the disc. And I'm willing to bet, that 99% is too cautious an estimate.
Personally, I think the whole industry is getting off track with their DRM. It does make sense to have it in place. As I said, the pirates are a real problem.
But they want to gain more and more control over what the consumers do. Sort of finding a second purpose for the DRM already in place.
People are running for the streaming services.
Yey, streaming!
That is already a service that puts you in chains. Even when you "buy" a movie on a streaming platform, you're asking for permission every single time you want to watch it (which is why I'm hesitant to call it "buying", you simply don't own the thing).
Have the platform go dead and your "owned" movies are just as gone. You think Netflix is going to exist forever? They're likely to be around for quite a while, but things change so fast these days, especially with anything having "Internet" in its description. Maybe they decide to sell rubber boots someday (sorry, that joke will mostly make sense in Finland) and close down the streaming business, because the competition ruins the profit.
And the AACS 2.0 specification (for UHD discs) is trying to get there too. With the - so far - optional possibility to have the disc fetch decryption keys from some server each and every time.
Reminds me of the recent Internet failure here, just a couple of days ago - TV, phone and Internet all broke down at once, what was left was my collection of discs (yes, all bought and paid for) to spend the evening with. Unless of course I'd need permission to watch from the studio. Over that dead Internet connection.
I'm not even diving too deep into the whole backup and fair use thing - I think everybody knows about that. Some of the DVDs my kids have been using look like they've been treated with sand paper. Some of the more "busy" ones actually look like sand paper. Blu-ray coatings are a lot more resilient - but unfortunately Blu-rays are also more sensitive to scratches. And some cease to play without any visible damage.
I have 7 or 8 damaged BDs among the non-kids category that I know of - possibly many more, because most discs I never touched twice, so I wouldn't know.
Meanwhile I transfer the most precious ones to my server.
So, sorry MPAA, AACS and all you people with the fancy acronyms - we can't help you with the piracy, but since no one is helping us with the movies, we're picking up things ourselves.
Think twice.
I've been scanning through the many, many posts from the recent days and especially one post with a link to some blog entry over at torrentfreak ruined my day a bit. It's not the actual message (for who didn't read it: it's all about the poor pirates, now having no tool for their glorious doings).
After all, torrentfreak is all about file sharing and it's not my place to judge what's right and what's wrong (though I do have a strong personal dislike for piracy).
What I found depressing, was how this places SlySoft next to the pirates and makes it sound as if piracy is what we were doing this for.
So, of course, SlySoft could have easily done without the pirates - and had they, SlySoft might even still exist.
It's not that the AACS-LA wouldn't have gone to the same lengths trying - don't mistake them to be fighting piracy, their goal is a more immediate one, which is to justify their existence.
They have this huge money-making machine, collect fees for every BD ever being sold without having to really, well, do much (god, I wish I were the AACS-LA), while promising to protect the discs in return, which effectivly doesn't work - so they have no choice but to fight back.
So that's one reason why they come after SlySoft and not the actual pirates.
The other reason is: it just wouldn't work. Pirates have a higher level of anonymity, and they are also too many. So even if this was (just) about piracy, SlySoft would remain the main target.
Piracy is an issue. You can't deny that it is hurting the movie industry. And you can't deny that we were involuntarily helping piracy. Just like the glass cutter involuntarily helps burglary.
Though you can argue over the numbers. They like to pretend that every single downloaded movie is one sold disc less. Of course that is utter nonsense. A lot of that stuff gets downloaded simply because it's there. At least 99 out of 100 downloads are done by people who wouldn't even consider paying for the disc. And I'm willing to bet, that 99% is too cautious an estimate.
Personally, I think the whole industry is getting off track with their DRM. It does make sense to have it in place. As I said, the pirates are a real problem.
But they want to gain more and more control over what the consumers do. Sort of finding a second purpose for the DRM already in place.
People are running for the streaming services.
Yey, streaming!
That is already a service that puts you in chains. Even when you "buy" a movie on a streaming platform, you're asking for permission every single time you want to watch it (which is why I'm hesitant to call it "buying", you simply don't own the thing).
Have the platform go dead and your "owned" movies are just as gone. You think Netflix is going to exist forever? They're likely to be around for quite a while, but things change so fast these days, especially with anything having "Internet" in its description. Maybe they decide to sell rubber boots someday (sorry, that joke will mostly make sense in Finland) and close down the streaming business, because the competition ruins the profit.
And the AACS 2.0 specification (for UHD discs) is trying to get there too. With the - so far - optional possibility to have the disc fetch decryption keys from some server each and every time.
Reminds me of the recent Internet failure here, just a couple of days ago - TV, phone and Internet all broke down at once, what was left was my collection of discs (yes, all bought and paid for) to spend the evening with. Unless of course I'd need permission to watch from the studio. Over that dead Internet connection.
I'm not even diving too deep into the whole backup and fair use thing - I think everybody knows about that. Some of the DVDs my kids have been using look like they've been treated with sand paper. Some of the more "busy" ones actually look like sand paper. Blu-ray coatings are a lot more resilient - but unfortunately Blu-rays are also more sensitive to scratches. And some cease to play without any visible damage.
I have 7 or 8 damaged BDs among the non-kids category that I know of - possibly many more, because most discs I never touched twice, so I wouldn't know.
Meanwhile I transfer the most precious ones to my server.
So, sorry MPAA, AACS and all you people with the fancy acronyms - we can't help you with the piracy, but since no one is helping us with the movies, we're picking up things ourselves.
Think twice.