Why "bested" - using DVD FAb latest beta, Shoot 'Em Up works fine in Clone mode. I also compared the DVDFab Full Disc rip to AnyDVD 6306 rip (deep scan) and to your suggested 6301 rip (thorough - default). While the 6306 rip (compared to DVDFab) shows about 300 meg short in VOB 8, the 6301 rip is identical to the DVDFab rip, at least sizewise.
I must admit that I only use full disc mode of DVDFab because (1) at least when I first purchased it as a fallback to AnyDVD, the clone mode was an issue that the author recognized, (2) I don't have two DVD devices installed in the same computer, and I was under the impression that it was a requirement to use clone mode, i.e. drive to drive (but I see the FAQ states you can output to an ISO file), and (3) I have doubts about whether it is a true sector to sector copy that would retain the original layer break position like AnyDVD/CloneCD will, or alternately could be re-mastered correctly with ImgBurn. I state the 3rd reason because it appears that it is using the VSO burning engine. Even CloneDVD does not make ISOs with a valid layer break point for opposite track path dual layer recording (ImgBurn verifies this). So, perhaps I should reconsider the Clone mode, but I'm at a loss to explain how the output is different in Clone mode (which seems to really be a remastering) than in Full Disc mode. AnyDVDs operation as a system level device driver inspires confidence in making true 1:1 sector based copy...
All I can say is that in full disc rip mode, DVDFab Platinum 4.0.3.6 did the same audio removal on the "film version" animatics that CloneDVD did in conjunction with AnyDVD. So, from my perspective, AnyDVD 6.3.0.1 was the ONLY solution that worked (and I even tried RipIt4Me, which now appears to be officially useless on these new protection schemes....).
AnyDVD or the ripper engine also seems to be a bit better at cleaning up the protection remnants. For example on WAR, DVDFab shortened but left the invalid titlesets in place, while AnyDVD completed the job by deleting them entirely. In most cases PGCEdit's "delete unused titlesets" can correct DVDFab’s output to get rid of these. When using PGCEdit or IFOEdit to view the resulting cell structure, it does seem that DVDFab appears to clean up the structure a bit more than AnyDVD....for instance, invalid cells are show as having 0 duration in the DVDFab output, but usually they are left showing 15 frames in AnyDVD output. It makes the total title length slightly longer in the AnyDVD output, but I've never had an issue burning or playing back the resulting DVD.
This was an example (at least when ripping to disc) that illustrated that DVDFab has similar issues with the new protections, and therefore my money for a cleaner (protection remnants stripped) copy is on AnyDVD.
Your posts regarding this were excellent, and I don't think I would have gone this far back to check.
Thanks. I had given up at 3:30 am this morning, and when I got up I decided to give this one last shot, and the 6.3.0.1/CloneDVD iteration showed promise, and then 6.3.0.1/AnyDVD Ripper hit the sweet spot...call it fortuitous happenstance!