What if slysoft can't keep up?

[joeyooser]

What if slysoft can't keep cracking the new encryption systems and they successfully go closed? DirecTV was in a war for a long time and I believe they eventually succeeded in locking up their system so tight no one can steal service any more.

The fact that the cracking of the latest HD-DVD did not happen instantly is a sign that it's becoming more difficult to do. Even if slysoft does crack it again, they may not be able to next time.

 

[DanITman]

What if slysoft can't keep cracking the new encryption systems and they successfully go closed? DirecTV was in a war for a long time and I believe they eventually succeeded in locking up their system so tight no one can steal service any more.

The fact that the cracking of the latest HD-DVD did not happen instantly is a sign that it's becoming more difficult to do. Even if slysoft does crack it again, they may not be able to next time.

Then don't buy the product.....problem solved.

I'm very happy with how things have been so far and I love the software. I think it's common knowledge purchasing something like this that it might not last forever.

 

[SamuriHL]

Was there a point to this post? What if an asteroid comes out of the sky and takes out the entire Slysoft development team? "What if" games are completely useless. No one can predict the future. You buy a product based on what it can do the moment you buy it, not for what it *MIGHT* be able to do in the future. "What if" Microsoft puts out a version of windows that isn't backwards compatible with the existing version and tells everyone to use virtualization technology to fill in the gaps?! Oh, right...they are, and will be doing so. Anyway, if AnyDVD does what you need TODAY, then buy it. If at some point in the future it breaks and they can't fix it, well, that is a chance we take. I think everyone's aware of that possibility.

 

[joeyooser]

Samurai, that was a useless rant. "Was there a point to this post" was a question you should have asked yourself before you hit submit.

 

[Rusty257]

sam is right, its the same as what if my windows 3.11 OS cant handle the latest software or whatever. what if, what if. if you dont want to use it find another product.

 

[SamuriHL]

Samurai, that was a useless rant. "Was there a point to this post" was a question you should have asked yourself before you hit submit.

It wasn't useless at all. There was most DEFINITELY a point in my post. Please reread it if you don't understand.

 

[hotdog453]

It wasn't useless at all. There was most DEFINITELY a point in my post. Please reread it if you don't understand.

The problem is, I think you mis-interpreted the OP's point. I don't think he was griping about the price of the product, and the product not living up to his expectations. Instead, I think he meant this: If Slysoft fails to keep up with the AACS changes, fails to crack BD+, we, as consumers and users, are screwed.

It's not like there's much competition in the Slysoft arena. There is no alternative that actually works well. Slysoft is it. It's AnyDVD HD or the highway. It's AnyDVD HD or... what, the incredibly awkward HDDVD Dump? It's free, of course, but in terms of usability and friendliness, it's nothing like AnyDVD.

So if Slysoft CANNOT keep up, there is a problem for us; there's no plan B. There's no Pepsi to Slysoft's Coke. No Mac OSX to Vista, etc, etc.

Unless I totally read him wrong, and he's bitching about the price or something.

 

[SamuriHL]

My point is that it's a COMPLETELY hypothetical "what if". So far, their track record is flawless, is it not? There is ALWAYS a possibility of them not being able to continue in the future for a 100 different reasons. Yea, ok, there's no "plan b" but, how, exactly is that Slysoft's problem? What should we ask them to do, create another company and a competing product? DVDFab HD Decrypter was using the Doom9 code to decrypt AACS, but, with the new MKBV4 keys, they too, are out of commission. We, as consumers, WOULD be screwed if Slysoft was unable to break BD+ or whatever, but, then we would be guilty of not taking their personal opinion(s) that BD is not a consumer friendly format into account by buying stuff on it anyway.

In any case, we can whine that we don't have an alternative, but, that's A> Not Slysoft's problem as they are working on the one solution we DO have and are continuing to put effort into it, and B> our own fault for buying into such a consumer unfriendly technology in the first place.

 

[Webslinger]

So if Slysoft CANNOT keep up

I don't think there are any promises in the software industry, but Slysoft is working on these problems. And Slysoft has never let people down in the past.

I would imagine that BD+ is going to be a monster to decrypt though.

I think we just have to be patient.

 

[hotdog453]

My point is that it's a COMPLETELY hypothetical "what if".

In his defense, it's not really THAT hypothetical. I mean, this isn't "Hello World" we're talking about, I'm assuming this is a difficult technical challenge for Slysoft. I have full confidence in them to succeed, and I'm not expecting too fast of results; but for someone to think, hey, ya know, BD+ /whatever might "finally beat them" isn't THAT far off the mark.

Yea, ok, there's no "plan b" but, how, exactly is that Slysoft's problem? What should we ask them to do, create another company and a competing product? DVDFab HD Decrypter was using the Doom9 code to decrypt AACS, but, with the new MKBV4 keys, they too, are out of commission. We, as consumers, WOULD be screwed if Slysoft was unable to break BD+ or whatever, but, then we would be guilty of not taking their personal opinion(s) that BD is not a consumer friendly format into account by buying stuff on it anyway.

I wasn't complaining about there not being a viable alternative; the cost of AnyDVD didn't offend/scare me off; hell, I'd have paid 300 for the software, from the amount of use I've gotten out of it. I'm just trying to justify where the OP was coming from: If Slysoft fails, it's game over. I mean, realistically, I think that's where he was coming from.

In any case, we can whine that we don't have an alternative, but, that's A> Not Slysoft's problem as they are working on the one solution we DO have and are continuing to put effort into it, and B> our own fault for buying into such a consumer unfriendly technology in the first place.

I didn't mean to come off as whining. I was simply stating a fact.

I don't think there are any promises in the software industry, but Slysoft is working on these problems. And Slysoft has never let people down in the past.

I would imagine that BD+ is going to be a monster to decrypt though.

I think we just have to be patient.

Oh, of course not. I don't expect nor demand a promise of anything. I'm sure BD+ is quite difficult to crack; these companies don't spend millions to be beaten THAT easily by a commercial product

 

[SamuriHL]

In his defense, it's not really THAT hypothetical. I mean, this isn't "Hello World" we're talking about, I'm assuming this is a difficult technical challenge for Slysoft. I have full confidence in them to succeed, and I'm not expecting too fast of results; but for someone to think, hey, ya know, BD+ /whatever might "finally beat them" isn't THAT far off the mark.

It's a possibility, yes. However, it's more likely that they'll simply keep working on it until they find a solution, no matter how long it takes.

I wasn't complaining about there not being a viable alternative; the cost of AnyDVD didn't offend/scare me off; hell, I'd have paid 300 for the software, from the amount of use I've gotten out of it. I'm just trying to justify where the OP was coming from: If Slysoft fails, it's game over. I mean, realistically, I think that's where he was coming from.

If Slysoft fails and BD+ stays uncrackable, it's also very likely game over for BD in all reality. People like to be able to backup their movies, especially at the prices we're paying for BD and HD DVD. Also, with all the compatibility issues BD+ introduced, they may have already pissed off enough early adopters. Those early adopters are the people who recommend to their friends what format to get. And do you think BD+ is going to stop the professional pirates? I find that highly unlikely.

I didn't mean to come off as whining. I was simply stating a fact.

You weren't whining. I just meant in general.

Oh, of course not. I don't expect nor demand a promise of anything. I'm sure BD+ is quite difficult to crack; these companies don't spend millions to be beaten THAT easily by a commercial product

I'm sure it can be beaten eventually. It has to be playable eventually. That in and of itself suggests there's a way to open the lock as they already have to provide you the keys. It's a challenge, yes, but, not insurmountable. Now, it COULD take far longer than they're predicting and that's DEFINITELY possible. We'll just have to wait and see. I'm sure there's quite a few different groups working on this problem as we speak. Slysoft being one of them, obviously, but, I'm sure others are probably looking at it, as well.

 

[Charlie]

This is a "What If" senerio so with that said Sam. was correct. I do understand your OP so I will lay it down like this:

1. You are never forced to purchase from Slysoft.

2. What's the hudge hurry as putting it on a HD or BD Disc isn't real easy?

3. The big hurry in my opinion is those titles have a time line in your house or that you want to get another title from NetFlix etc...?

4. There really is no need to rush out and crack this and it is new and no it's not really easy to do either. If you're in that big of a rush then learn to crack encryptions.

5. Yes I am well aware that there is some users without HDCP compliant hardware and need anydvd hd to work its magic.

6. Even slysoft takes vacations as they well deserve it so give them plenty of time and not your amount of time that you expect. We have been spoiled by this in the past so let's just be patient.

 

[Rusty257]

Go Hd Dvd!!!!

 

[Charlie]

Go Hd Dvd!!!!

Yes I am rooting for it to just seeing the crap sony's doing.:clap:

 

[iansilv]

If Slysoft does not keepup, and everyone else at Doom9 cannot break BD+, BluRay will win. That's it- studios will not be able to resist an uncrackable encryption. That is why we should not be buying bluray- to show that consumers want the convenience of watching our media when we want to.

 

[Charlie]

Sad thing is though is that consumors are brain washed to believe that bluray is the superior format by most people like at best buy. I had an agurment with a specialist there last week as they tried to tell me bluray was better but the only thing they could say is that Sony is behind it and that it can hold 200 gigs. LOL

 

[TM2-Megatron]

Personally, I don't really care who wins... it's more than just Sony behind Blu-Ray, though. However irritating a company they are, I'm not going to let blind hatred for them colour my entire opinion of Blu-Ray. It does have some advantages, after all.

If HD-DVD wins out, they'd better get their asses in gear and provide an acceptable solution for computer storage. They've yet to get any burners out there on the market, though for some reason media seems to be available (laughably scarce as it is). Blu-Ray has already outstripped that by providing several burners, likely faster burning than HD-DVD will manage to produce initially, and easily available (though expensive) media.

This is far from the days of VHS and Beta, when all they had to do was be an acceptable format for presenting home video. The winner of the current format war will also be used in PCs, and Blu-Ray is the better format for that.

 

[joeyooser]

Unless I totally read him wrong, and he's bitching about the price or something.

I already owned and paid for it, and it's frankly plenty cheap. I also use it to rip my collection of DVDs and dump to tape backups, and am doing the same with my HD-DVDs.

The question was exactly what I asked - what happens if they can't keep up? And the answer is, we're screwed into extremely fascistly locked up HD content that is very expensive and can only be played on fascistly conforming hardware.

I mentioned DirecTV as a case in point - I'm pretty sure they eventually won the battle and have managed to keep their signal locked up pretty tight now for a couple of years.

 

[iansilv]

The Directv example is not a valid comparison. Directv wanted to keep people from getting free satelite tv- that is their right. If you want to see something funny, take the train from Long Beach to the convention center. Check out the dishes on the houses next to the train tracks in Compton. I doubt they were paying for it.

But theya re not stopping people from watching the movie for free when they lockup movie disks. Pirates are already pirating the movies. There is a huge consumer convenience factor that is being taken away by locking up movie disks. I pay to watch a movie. I do not pay for the process by which I watch that movie. I do not pay for the process by which they force me to watch the movie. And I especially do not pay to have forced previews, obnoxious time-consuming menus, and Interpol warnings crammed down my throat. (I do nto even live in Interpol! )

 

[SamuriHL]

I already owned and paid for it, and it's frankly plenty cheap. I also use it to rip my collection of DVDs and dump to tape backups, and am doing the same with my HD-DVDs.

The question was exactly what I asked - what happens if they can't keep up? And the answer is, we're screwed into extremely fascistly locked up HD content that is very expensive and can only be played on fascistly conforming hardware.

I mentioned DirecTV as a case in point - I'm pretty sure they eventually won the battle and have managed to keep their signal locked up pretty tight now for a couple of years.

If Slysoft can't keep up for whatever reason, then yes, consumers are screwed. In many ways. Think about the people who have non-HDCP equipment and are playing their discs on non-"compliant" HTPC's. Those people are completely boned. So yes, I see the point, but, there's really no solution other than to not buy consumer unfriendly technology. We just keep putting our faith in Slysoft to continue updating their product to handle this crap as the studios release it. This game of cat and mouse has been around a LONG time in many different fields. We'll see how it goes.