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HBO MAX Space Jam- A New Legacy 4K

Well, the web and the app say it does..... so they lied......

or AS didn't use DV without DA? Or HBO didn't send it?

Well, that shot my theory all to hell.....
Other sources have a DV version up, so it would seem AS just didn't receive the DV stream. And I don't think this movie has an Atmos mix, just 5.1.

I just tried this movie on my Roku TV and it displays the DV logo.

That's because your TV received the DV stream. AS didn't.
 
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AnyStream is able to grab 4k dolby vision woth dolby atmos audio to
 
Funny, I always wondered that about Prime streams. I have 75 inch Samsung HDR tv but on many of these 4k streams I notice this greenish pink color you described....are prime streams DV, or is my set screwed up? I never calibrated it btw, but I adjusted a few settings manually, and I always watch it on a "movie" setting.
As far as I know, newer samsung models can't do Dolby Vision because Samsung doesn't want to pay for the license. They use their own Format HDR10+
I also own a Samsung 2019 model, but I never noticed green or pink more than usual on 4K streams
 
As far as I know, newer samsung models can't do Dolby Vision because Samsung doesn't want to pay for the license. They use their own Format HDR10+
I also own a Samsung 2019 model, but I never noticed green or pink more than usual on 4K streams
I'm no expert, but my guess is newer Samsung models may resolve it a little bit better. Mine is from 2017. 4k content is nice but I get some weird colors. Image is not terrible but definitely not natural looking. I believe in 4k but at the same time I don't think that any of my current displays (which are HDR) are capable of taking advantage of this tech. I bet on newer displays that cost $5000 and up 4k will be a stunner. Sony A90J would deliver superb quality
 
Isn't there a stream listed in AnyStream halfway between the 1080p version and the 4K version? Something like a 1440p version? I wonder if that's the non-HDR stream that HBO Max uses on devices that don't support DV.
 
I'm no expert, but my guess is newer Samsung models may resolve it a little bit better. Mine is from 2017. 4k content is nice but I get some weird colors. Image is not terrible but definitely not natural looking. I believe in 4k but at the same time I don't think that any of my current displays (which are HDR) are capable of taking advantage of this tech. I bet on newer displays that cost $5000 and up 4k will be a stunner. Sony A90J would deliver superb quality
A TV can't well-resolve a signal type it can't process in the first place. If you're actually seeing images on your TV like the one I posted, you need to change the device you're using. Or update the firmware, or something. It should never ever look like that.

Even though streaming services don't use dual layer files for backwards compatibility with HDR10, they're still capable of providing an HDR10 stream. If your non DV capable TV is receiving a DV stream, or your DV capable TV is showing pink and green, something is wrong.

Isn't there a stream listed in AnyStream halfway between the 1080p version and the 4K version? Something like a 1440p version? I wonder if that's the non-HDR stream that HBO Max uses on devices that don't support DV.
HDR10 streams and DV streams are both full 4K.

Edit: I misunderstood you a bit. You might be right. But if a TV doesn't support DV, but does HDR 10, it will get a 4K HDR10 stream.
 
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Just tried 3200x1800 and no DV. And it looks good.

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HDR format : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
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Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 1 h 55 min
Bit rate : 12.4 Mb/s
Width : 3 200 pixels
Height : 1 800 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.090
Stream size : 9.99 GiB (94%)
Writing library : x265 3.4hy:[Linux][GCC 7.5.0][64 bit] 10bit
Encoding settings : cpuid=1111039 / frame-threads=1 / wpp / no-pmode / no-pme / no-psnr / no-ssim / log-level=2 / input-csp=1 / input-res=3200x1800 / interlace=0 / total-frames=0 / level-idc=0 / high-tier=1 / uhd-bd=0 / ref=4 / no-allow-non-conformance / repeat-headers / annexb / no-aud / no-hrd / info / hash=0 / no-temporal-layers / no-open-gop / min-keyint=96 / keyint=96 / gop-lookahead=0 / bframes=3 / b-adapt=2 / b-pyramid / bframe-bias=0 / rc-lookahead=25 / lookahead-slices=4 / scenecut=40 / hist-scenecut=0 / radl=0 / no-splice / no-intra-refresh / ctu=64 / min-cu-size=8 / rect / no-amp / max-tu-size=32 / tu-inter-depth=1 / tu-intra-depth=1 / limit-tu=0 / rdoq-level=2 / dynamic-rd=0.00 / no-ssim-rd / signhide / no-tskip / nr-intra=0 / nr-inter=0 / no-constrained-intra / strong-intra-smoothing / max-merge=3 / limit-refs=3 / limit-modes / me=3 / subme=3 / merange=57 / temporal-mvp / no-frame-dup / no-hme / weightp / no-weightb / no-analyze-src-pics / deblock=0:0 / sao / no-sao-non-deblock / rd=4 / selective-sao=4 / no-early-skip / rskip / no-fast-intra / no-tskip-fast / no-cu-lossless / no-b-intra / no-splitrd-skip / rdpenalty=0 / psy-rd=2.00 / psy-rdoq=1.00 / no-rd-refine / no-lossless / cbqpoffs=0 / crqpoffs=0 / rc=abr / bitrate=12500 / qcomp=0.60 / qpstep=4 / stats-write=0 / stats-read=2 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv-maxrate=18750 / vbv-bufsize=18750 / vbv-init=0.6 / vbv-end=0.6 / vbv-end-fr-adj=0.0 / ipratio=1.40 / pbratio=1.30 / aq-mode=2 / aq-strength=1.00 / cutree / zone-count=0 / no-strict-cbr / qg-size=32 / no-rc-grain / qpmax=69 / qpmin=0 / no-const-vbv / sar=0 / overscan=0 / videoformat=5 / range=0 / colorprim=9 / transfer=16 / colormatrix=9 / chromaloc=0 / display-window=0 / master-display=G(13250,34500)B(7500,3000)R(34000,16000)WP(15635,16450)L(10000000,1) / cll=677,233 / min-luma=0 / max-luma=1023 / log2-max-poc-lsb=8 / vui-timing-info / vui-hrd-info / no-concatenation / slices=1 / no-opt-qp-pps / no-opt-ref-list-length-pps / no-multi-pass-opt-rps / scenecut-bias=0.05 / hist-threshold=0.01 / no-opt-cu-delta-qp / no-aq-motion / hdr10 / no-hdr10-opt / no-dhdr10-opt / no-idr-recovery-sei / analysis-reuse-level=0 / analysis-save-reuse-level=0 / analysis-load-reuse-level=0 / scale-factor=0 / refine-intra=0 / refine-inter=0 / refine-mv=1 / refine-ctu-distortion=0 / no-limit-sao / ctu-info=0 / no-lowpass-dct / refine-analysis-type=0 / copy-pic=1 / max-ausize-factor=1.0 / no-dynamic-refine / no-single-sei / no-hevc-aq / no-svt / no-field / qp-adaptation-range=1.00 / no-scenecut-aware-qpconformance-window-offsets / right=0 / bottom=0 / decoder-max-rate=0
Encoded date : UTC 2021-07-21 21:36:45
Tagged date : UTC 2021-07-21 21:36:45
Color range : Limited
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Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 677 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 233 cd/m2
Codec configuration box : hvcC
 
Just tried 3200x1800 and no DV. And it looks good.

Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5@Main
HDR format : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : hvc1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 1 h 55 min
Bit rate : 12.4 Mb/s
Width : 3 200 pixels
Height : 1 800 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.090
Stream size : 9.99 GiB (94%)
Writing library : x265 3.4hy:[Linux][GCC 7.5.0][64 bit] 10bit
Encoding settings : cpuid=1111039 / frame-threads=1 / wpp / no-pmode / no-pme / no-psnr / no-ssim / log-level=2 / input-csp=1 / input-res=3200x1800 / interlace=0 / total-frames=0 / level-idc=0 / high-tier=1 / uhd-bd=0 / ref=4 / no-allow-non-conformance / repeat-headers / annexb / no-aud / no-hrd / info / hash=0 / no-temporal-layers / no-open-gop / min-keyint=96 / keyint=96 / gop-lookahead=0 / bframes=3 / b-adapt=2 / b-pyramid / bframe-bias=0 / rc-lookahead=25 / lookahead-slices=4 / scenecut=40 / hist-scenecut=0 / radl=0 / no-splice / no-intra-refresh / ctu=64 / min-cu-size=8 / rect / no-amp / max-tu-size=32 / tu-inter-depth=1 / tu-intra-depth=1 / limit-tu=0 / rdoq-level=2 / dynamic-rd=0.00 / no-ssim-rd / signhide / no-tskip / nr-intra=0 / nr-inter=0 / no-constrained-intra / strong-intra-smoothing / max-merge=3 / limit-refs=3 / limit-modes / me=3 / subme=3 / merange=57 / temporal-mvp / no-frame-dup / no-hme / weightp / no-weightb / no-analyze-src-pics / deblock=0:0 / sao / no-sao-non-deblock / rd=4 / selective-sao=4 / no-early-skip / rskip / no-fast-intra / no-tskip-fast / no-cu-lossless / no-b-intra / no-splitrd-skip / rdpenalty=0 / psy-rd=2.00 / psy-rdoq=1.00 / no-rd-refine / no-lossless / cbqpoffs=0 / crqpoffs=0 / rc=abr / bitrate=12500 / qcomp=0.60 / qpstep=4 / stats-write=0 / stats-read=2 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv-maxrate=18750 / vbv-bufsize=18750 / vbv-init=0.6 / vbv-end=0.6 / vbv-end-fr-adj=0.0 / ipratio=1.40 / pbratio=1.30 / aq-mode=2 / aq-strength=1.00 / cutree / zone-count=0 / no-strict-cbr / qg-size=32 / no-rc-grain / qpmax=69 / qpmin=0 / no-const-vbv / sar=0 / overscan=0 / videoformat=5 / range=0 / colorprim=9 / transfer=16 / colormatrix=9 / chromaloc=0 / display-window=0 / master-display=G(13250,34500)B(7500,3000)R(34000,16000)WP(15635,16450)L(10000000,1) / cll=677,233 / min-luma=0 / max-luma=1023 / log2-max-poc-lsb=8 / vui-timing-info / vui-hrd-info / no-concatenation / slices=1 / no-opt-qp-pps / no-opt-ref-list-length-pps / no-multi-pass-opt-rps / scenecut-bias=0.05 / hist-threshold=0.01 / no-opt-cu-delta-qp / no-aq-motion / hdr10 / no-hdr10-opt / no-dhdr10-opt / no-idr-recovery-sei / analysis-reuse-level=0 / analysis-save-reuse-level=0 / analysis-load-reuse-level=0 / scale-factor=0 / refine-intra=0 / refine-inter=0 / refine-mv=1 / refine-ctu-distortion=0 / no-limit-sao / ctu-info=0 / no-lowpass-dct / refine-analysis-type=0 / copy-pic=1 / max-ausize-factor=1.0 / no-dynamic-refine / no-single-sei / no-hevc-aq / no-svt / no-field / qp-adaptation-range=1.00 / no-scenecut-aware-qpconformance-window-offsets / right=0 / bottom=0 / decoder-max-rate=0
Encoded date : UTC 2021-07-21 21:36:45
Tagged date : UTC 2021-07-21 21:36:45
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 677 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 233 cd/m2
Codec configuration box : hvcC
What movie is this?
 
Just noticed Audio is Dolby Atmos.


Audio
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Format : E-AC-3 JOC
Format/Info : Enhanced AC-3 with Joint Object Coding
Commercial name : Dolby Digital Plus with Dolby Atmos
Codec ID : ec-3
Duration : 1 h 55 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 768 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 634 MiB (6%)
Language : English
Service kind : Complete Main
Encoded date : UTC 2021-07-21 21:36:45
Tagged date : UTC 2021-07-21 21:36:45
Complexity index : 16
Number of dynamic objects : 15
Bed channel count : 1 channel
Bed channel configuration : LFE
 
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I was just asking because the movie you downloaded earlier already had HDR10 instead of DV. Though, I tried downloading Matrix at the lower resolution instead of 4K and got HDR10 instead of DV. Though personally, I would wait for the devs to allow choosing between the two at 4K.
 
Out of curiosity, has anyone found a higher-than-1080p stream without any HDR?
 
I've only tried Space Jam and Matrix, but I would assume every resolution above 1080p is HDR.
Huh, is that how it is in a browser as well? Are non-HDR 4K screens either limited to either 1080p or muted colors?
 
Huh, is that how it is in a browser as well? Are non-HDR 4K screens either limited to either 1080p or muted colors?
Well, yes, I would assume so. Hulu and Disney+ are the only services I know of that provide 4K SDR content. And washed out colors would only be a problem if you're downloading these files from AS or other sources. The app itself isn't going to serve a washed out HDR image to an SDR device.
 
Huh, is that how it is in a browser as well? Are non-HDR 4K screens either limited to either 1080p or muted colors?
The way Dolby Vision is supposed to work is that there's a standard SDR 4K image and then a data stream layer that provides HDR info so that if a device isn't compatible it falls back to the SDR stream and still works, I'm guessing HBO Max just has multiple streams instead or something.
 
The way Dolby Vision is supposed to work is that there's a standard SDR 4K image and then a data stream layer that provides HDR info so that if a device isn't compatible it falls back to the SDR stream and still works, I'm guessing HBO Max just has multiple streams instead or something.
That is indeed how it works on 4K Blu-Ray. However that's just not how it works on streaming services. HBO Max isn't alone in this.

Edit: I misunderstood yet again.
 
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That is indeed how it works on 4K Blu-Ray. However that's just not how it works on streaming services. HBO Max isn't alone in this.
This is not how it works on UHD BDs. HDR(10) isn't just meta data. On UHD BD you have a HDR10 base layer and then a Dolby Vision enhancement layer (can either be a full or. minimal layer).
If your TV doesn't support HDR10, then the BD player does the HDR10>SDR conversion.

So AS does now support 4K DV? "Only" for HBO max or all providers?
 
This is not how it works on UHD BDs. HDR(10) isn't just meta data. On UHD BD you have a HDR10 base layer and then a Dolby Vision enhancement layer (can either be a full or. minimal layer).
If your TV doesn't support HDR10, then the BD player does the HDR10>SDR conversion.

So AS does now support 4K DV? "Only" for HBO max or all providers?
Only HBO Max.
 
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