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PAL to NTSC conversion software

AnyDVD will remove the region and software players don't care about pal/ntsc, hardware ones do.

If you want to play it on a US standalone player chances are high you would need to convert it yes, but that will most likely cause you to lose all original menu's.

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Do I have this right?

I'm in the US.

If I have a Region 2 PAL DVD, I'm ok to play it on the computer with AnyDVD since AnyDVD will convert the Region and the computer doesn't care about NTSC/PAL?


I ask because I have been trying to find a DVD of the original Stepford Wives from 1975 on Amazon.

The only one I could find under $20 is Region 2 PAL so I gave up.

But, I could play this on the computer with AnyDVD?


And if I wanted to play in a standard NTSC DVD player, I would need to use DVD Converter from VSO to make a disc backup in NTSC?


T
A third option is to get a PAL/NTSC DVD player as shown in post #4. https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DVD-S700-Up-Converting-Region-Player/dp/B004QIPKNY
 
AnyDVD will remove the region and software players don't care about pal/ntsc, hardware ones do.

If you want to play it on a US standalone player chances are high you would need to convert it yes, but that will most likely cause you to lose all original menu's.

Ok, thanks Ch3vron.

Lose the menus? Uggh.

But it may be enough to just watch it on the computer.


A third option is to get a PAL/NTSC DVD player as shown in post #4. https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DVD-S700-Up-Converting-Region-Player/dp/B004QIPKNY

I had looked at that earlier and I am considering it. In fact, I put that player on my Amazon Wishlist.

Just want to broaden the base of DVDs I can play.

Because I noticed on Amazon there are often very good deals for hard-to-find movies I'm interested in but they're in another region and in PAL format.

Thanks, mmdavis.


I see several copies of the Region 1 Widescreen version of this movie for sale on Amazon for less than $25.

Thanks for the tip Dr Xenos.

With shipping, these DVD's are about $30. The Region 2 one is under $20 including shipping.

If I want to play Stepford on my DVD player and this title was the only Region 2 title I'm interested in, it would be cheaper to go this route, agreed.

But if I really want to be able to buy and play any DVD in general, no matter what format, getting the DVD player mmdavis mentions may be the way to go.

Or even VSO's DVD Converter. But it loses the menu?????


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It'll lose the original menu probably yes, but may be able to import the artwork. I don't know, you can always trial it. I can't test for myself, as i live in a PAL region and don't have such problem. Our players play both NTSC and PAL by default.
 
It'll lose the original menu probably yes, but may be able to import the artwork. I don't know, you can always trial it. I can't test for myself, as i live in a PAL region and don't have such problem. Our players play both NTSC and PAL by default.

You guys are so lucky.

Yeah, I'll give DVD Converter a try then and see if it works for me.

I'll check out the menu situation and let you know.


T
 
Thanks for the tip Dr Xenos.

With shipping, these DVD's are about $30. The Region 2 one is under $20 including shipping.

If I want to play Stepford on my DVD player and this title was the only Region 2 title I'm interested in, it would be cheaper to go this route, agreed.

But if I really want to be able to buy and play any DVD in general, no matter what format, getting the DVD player mmdavis mentions may be the way to go.

Or even VSO's DVD Converter. But it loses the menu?????

I think I'd pay the extra $10 just to get the region 1 version. Besides being less of a pain, since it's the region you're already in, I much prefer NTSC. PAL may have slightly better resolution and color, but I can't stand the 4% speed up.

DrX
 
I think I'd pay the extra $10 just to get the region 1 version. Besides being less of a pain, since it's the region you're already in, I much prefer NTSC. PAL may have slightly better resolution and color, but I can't stand the 4% speed up.

Dude. Are you saying in PAL the same movie will play visibly faster?
 
Dude. Are you saying in PAL the same movie will play visibly faster?
If the source matter isn't already 25fps, then yes, by 4%. Some people don't even notice. Some notice the higher pitch of the audio. I don't. I'm a little hard of hearing, but I really notice the video.
 
Ah, I see. Because here the standard is 24 fps.

I'd be interested to check that for myself, see if I hear or see the difference. I'll do some tests.

But that could be a show-stopper for me.

Again, though, it only comes into play if I make a disc to play on my DVD player, not if I just watch on computer.


Thanks for mentioning that.


T
 
Again, though, it only comes into play if I make a disc to play on my DVD player, not if I just watch on computer.


Thanks for mentioning that.


T
If it's a PAL encoding of a 24fps film, it's going have a 4% speed-up regardless of how you play it.
 
I use ReClock from this site to playback Pal DVD's on my PC to correct the pitch https://forum.redfox.bz/forums/reclock.85/

Oh wow.

There's a wealth of information here about what the problem is and what you can do about it.

Sure appreciate it Marty.

I just listened to the comparison audio clips here and I have to admit I don't find the audio speed-up enough to be objectionable. Kind of reminds me of when I used to DJ in the old days and crank-up the pitch for the songs I played (lol).

However, if I go the PAL route for these DVDs, I will use Reclock.

Very glad a solution is available.


If it's a PAL encoding of a 24fps film, it's going have a 4% speed-up regardless of how you play it.

Dr Xenos, I thought at the time that the issue came into play when you convert from PAL to NTSC.

It was unthinkable to me that the actual PAL disc was like this and that half the world watches sped-up versions of movies made here.

I just wonder why there is no correction for this when the PAL DVDs are created. Doesn't ReClock prove it can be done?


T
 
Dr Xenos, I thought at the time that the issue came into play when you convert from PAL to NTSC.

It was unthinkable to me that the actual PAL disc was like this and that half the world watches sped-up versions of movies made here.

I just wonder why there is no correction for this when the PAL DVDs are created. Doesn't ReClock prove it can be done?

I have no idea what you're asking me. I never said the timing couldn't be changed, if that's what you mean. Of course, ReClock will change the timing. My point was just playing it on a PC vs. a DVD player won't magically fix the timing.

What do you mean "no fix when PAL DVDs are created"? PAL DVDs are changed to 25fps on purpose, because the video timing in the region is 50 fps (because AC over there is 50 HZ).

We have our own nastiness in NTSC. The 24fps are slowed to 23.976, and then telecined, which is why panning shots look jumpy.

Anyways, all that stuff will (hopefully) go away with blu-ray. Blu-ray can encode and play the movie in its original fps.


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I never said the timing couldn't be changed, if that's what you mean. Of course, ReClock will change the timing. My point was just playing it on a PC vs. a DVD player won't magically fix the timing.

Yes, I understood that.

I was just explaining that when someone mentioned the speed-up, I thought they meant it was a result of using DVD Converter to change PAL to NTSC, not that the speed-up was actually on the PAL disc itself.


I have no idea what you're asking me.... What do you mean "no fix when PAL DVDs are created"? PAL DVDs are changed to 25fps on purpose, because the video timing in the region is 50 fps (because AC over there is 50 HZ).

Actually that was a rhetorical question.

I was wondering why when the studios create the PAL discs at 50 HZ, they don't do some magic to revert the pitch to back to normal.

Of course, if it's not an issue with Blu Ray, I'm sure there's no incentive for them to improve the DVD PAL process at this point.


T
 
I was wondering why when the studios create the PAL discs at 50 HZ, they don't do some magic to revert the pitch to back to normal.

Sometime they do fix the pitch, but the audio and video are still running 4% too fast.
 
Most transcoders, like HandBrake, can handle the dimensional and color encoding differences. The real trick is dealing with the 4% speed

up. I use ffmpeg with "-vf setpts=25025/24000*PTS" and "-af atempo=0.959040959040959", to slow the video and audio, respectively. This converts 25 fps to 24. Note that this assumes

the video is progressive. If it is telecined, interlaced, needs decimating, etc., you'll have to deal with those accordingly. Also, if the audio has been pitch-corrected for the speed

up, you may want to correct it again when you slow it down (I've never done this, but I think Audacity can).

Yes he's correct.
http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-162343.html

Yeah, had same issue with Star Trek DS9 and Voyager DVDs (Europe). The original film material was filmed in NTSC, unfortunately the film matrial on those Europeen versions of those DVDs-ROMs has been gone through a NTSC-to-PAL conversion.

The conversed PAL version appears (a very little bit) worse than the transcoded film (xvid) from original NTSC-version.
I also bought the PAL-version as it has some Europeen languages. NTSC-version is only in English.

https://natecraun.net/articles/mplayer-tips.html

mplayer.exe -speed 960/1001 -fps 24000/1001

-speed 960/1001 is the PAL-To-NTSC-Speeddown-factor
-fps 24000/1001 is the NTSC framerate

When setting this option it plays with correct original NTSC-speed +correct framerate (in this case) and the audio height frequency went back to lower normal valual,
sounds the same when comparing it to an NTSC version of same episode :) Still didn't have to change any monitor refresh rate.

The time display of duration still shows the shorter PAL film length, but the time second intervals in the time-display are actually moving slower, as if doubled (a very little bit)


This should also work:
mplayer.exe -speed 0.95904095904095904095904095904096 -fps 23.976023976023976023976023976024
But writing as ratio perhaps gives as much accurate result as possible (or just for easier writing than that long numbers)

----
PAL Speed =>25 fps
NTSC Speed=>23.976023976023976023976023976024 fps =>24 fps *1000/1001 => 24000fps/1001

NTSC-to-PAL-Speedup (PAL-Speed-result) = NTSC-Speed * (NTSC-to-PAL-Speedup-factor)

NTSC-to-PAL-Speedup-factor:
= PAL-Speed / NTSC-Speed
=>25fps / (24fps *1000/1001)
=>25 *1001 /(24 *1000)
=>25 *1001 /24 /1000
=>[25 *1001 *1/24 *1/1000]
=>1.0427083333333333333333333333333


NTSC-to-PAL-Speedup (PAL-Speedup-conversion-result):
= NTSC-Speed * [NTSC-to-PAL-Speedup-factor]
=>(24 fps *1000/1001) * [25 *1001 *1/24 *1/1000]
=>24 fps/24 *25 *1000/1000 *1001/1001
=>1 fps *25 *1000/1000 *1001/1001
=> 1 fps *25 *1 *1
=>25fps

----

PAL-to-NTSC-Speeddown:
=>PAL-Speed / [NTSC-to-PAL-Speedup-factor]
=>25fps / [25fps *1001 *1/24 *1/1000]
=>(25 fps/25) *24 *1000/1001
=>1 fps *24 *1000/1001
=>24fps *1000/1001
=>24000fps /1001
=>23.976023976023976023976023976024 fps

(Or other "way" for PAL-to-NTSC-Speeddown):
(PAL-Speed * PAL-to-NTSC-Speeddown-Factor)


PAL-to-NTSC-Speedown-Factor:
= NTSC-Speed / PAL-Speed
=>(24fps *1000 /1001) /25fps
=>24 *1000 / (1001*25)
=>24 *1000/ 25025
=>24000 / 25025
=0.95904095904095904095904095904096

=>24 *1000 / (1001*25)
=>24 *1000/25 *(1/1001)
=>24 *40 /1001
=>960 /1001
=0.95904095904095904095904095904096


PAL-to-NTSC-Speeddown ("a bit other" method):
=>PAL-Speed * PAL-to-NTSC-Speeddown-Factor)
=>[(24* fps *1000 /1001) /25fps] *25fps
=>24 fps *1000 /(1001*25)
=>24000fps / 25025
=>23.976023976023976023976023976024 fps

---------------------------

(PAL speedup-factor compared to lower NTSC)
=> 25fps / (24fps*1000/1001)
=> 25*1001/(24*1000)
=> 25 *1001 *1/24 *1/1000
=> 25/24 *(1001/1000)
=> 1.0427083333333333333333333333333 speed up factor

(1.0427083333333333333333333333333 -1) * 100%
=0.0427083333333333333333333333333 *100%
=>PAL 4.27083333333333333333333333333% faster than NTSC

and NTSC is 1 - (1 / 1.0427083333333333333333333333333) slower than PAL
=> 1 - 0.95904095904095904095904095904096
=> 0.04095904095904095904095904095904
=> 0.04095904095904095904095904095904 *100%
=> 4.095904095904095904095904095904%
=> 4.095904095904095904095904095904% slower
 
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